The war against Jihadists is miss-directed. The enemy is the

[Gnostic Bishop]

The war against Jihadists is miss-directed. The enemy is the literally read Qur’an and Bible.

Ridding ourselves of Islam’s extremist jihadists is good. But to allow the Qur’an and other Holy books, --- which create the jihadists, --- to remain unchanged is not good. Jihadist here would include Christians who are of the same mind set even as they are quiet at this point in time. At other times, I would be hiding from them and would not be able to say such. They were quite hard on free thinkers and Gnostic Christians like me.

The passages that create our problems must be re-interpreted and re-rephrased for modern times. Revisions are quite common to most of the documents at hand. The passages which create the extremist view are the real enemy. Those passages create the mindset that is plaguing our young. In the long term, we are better served to kill what creates the jihadists of the future, and not the future Jihadists, by removing the Jihadist creating parts of their theologies and ideologies. It is a much more humane way to end that destructive type of extremist.

To have real peace, we must do the same to the immoral parts of the Bible.

The Qur’an and the Bible are both creating misogynous and homophobic religions that deny many of us equality. World/Male domination of a few over the many of us is the goal of both of the two largest of the mainstream religions. Those who fly the cross and those who fly the star and crescent and who are idol worshipers and not the God seekers that Jesus wanted for mankind. Shame on both the cross and those who fly the star and crescent.

Justice says that both the Qur’an and the Bible must be revised and thus force the mainstream religions to upgrade, modernize and join us in the present instead of living with ancient Gods.
Governments should force the policies of the Gods to become more acceptable to mankind. After all, governments created religions to serve us. Not to dominate us.

Secular Governments, who are answerable to people, ---- that is you and me, ---- should rule without religions. Social control and manipulation is better in government hands than what religions offer. Ask any woman or gay. They want social manipulation of the social manipulators and their po0or moral attitudes. To give any ruling power to invisible absentee Gods is foolish.

Should secular governments pick up the pace and shed ourselves of the misogynous Qur’an and Bible. Have those cursed books created enough grief for women and gays? Have we allowed the downgrading of women long enough?

Man is God. God needs and wants a Goddess. Secular men are free and equal. Should our women not also be free and equal?

Should we urge our governments to force changes to the violent misogynistic Qur’an and Bible to make those documents more civilized?

Regards
DL

[Huon]

If the enemy is the literally read Qur’an and Bible, then we should burn all these books, always and everywhere.

If the enemy is a stupid and bloodthirsty djihadist, there should be some intelligent and pacific muslims who could speak against these djihadists. Of course the [supposed intelligent] rich people who finance the djihadists can also be allies of the USA. Some lies are useful...

[Gnostic Bishop]

If the enemy is the literally read Qur’an and Bible, then we should burn all these books, always and everywhere.

If the enemy is a stupid and bloodthirsty djihadist, there should be some intelligent and pacific muslims who could speak against these djihadists. Of course the [supposed intelligent] rich people who finance the djihadists can also be allies of the USA. Some lies are useful...

No argument for sure.

A threat of just burning the books would not work. Gnostic Christians suffered that yet their scriptures are still here.

A revision is easier to sell as those happen all the time. Even just the conversion of doing so would convert a lot of right wingers to the left.

Let's not forget the Bible. It produces the same misogynous and homophobic types.

Regards
DL

[Peter Kirby]

Exactly. Not only are their texts with us but one tattered copy of one gnostic gospel fetches 3 million dollars. I doubt that was the intended effect. We today seem more interested in heresiology than orthodoxy, as the former is more carefully and attentively reconstructed with all painstaking care. The latter is more familiar and thus less interesting.

[Gnostic Bishop]

Exactly. Not only are their texts with us but one tattered copy of one gnostic gospel fetches 3 million dollars. I doubt that was the intended effect. We today seem more interested in heresiology than orthodoxy, as the former is more carefully and attentively reconstructed with all painstaking care. The latter is more familiar and thus less interesting.

Less interesting and people have noted that the mainstream religions are homophobic and misogynous and I think people are finally starting to be fed up with those immoral religions, especially Christianity and Islam.

Let us pray that many are looking for moral Gods instead of the demiurges that people have been forced to have.

Regards
DL

[robert j]

The world is hampered by painfully slow cultural evolution. In regards to the religions of societies in the grand sweep of history, a wise man once wrote ---

"Our gods should mature as we mature." (Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse Dune, 1985)

[Gnostic Bishop]

The world is hampered by painfully slow cultural evolution. In regards to the religions of societies in the grand sweep of history, a wise man once wrote ---

"Our gods should mature as we mature." (Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse Dune, 1985)

Something the mainstream Western religious seem to not have heard.

If they were not mostly idol worshipers they could mature but alas.

Regards
DL

[Huon]

If the enemy is the literally read Qur’an and Bible, then we should burn all these books, always and everywhere.

It seems that I was not explicit enough. This sentence is a joke (in my mind).

The history of France contains "wars of religion" during ca. 1550-1600, between Catholics and Protestants (mostly Calvinists).
Clearly, the "Book" (the Bible OT and NT) is not disputed.
The wars happen between two political alliances. The goal is the political power. The Catholics massacre the Protestants, reciprocally, the Protestants massacre the Catholics. The leaders of both parties are assassinated. King Henri III (moderate catholic) has his extremist catholic competitor Duc de Guise assassinated. Very soon after, Henri III is also assassinated, as a revenge.

Of course, the NT says that "good Christians" should massacre "less good Christians" ?

To day, in the name of two versions of the Qur'an, Sunnites and Shiites kill one another. Certainly, Muhammad has written something for that.

Religion is a lame excuse to send some bloodthirsty idiots kill people and be killed for the glory of some other religious intelligent bastards who are expecting political power (a caliphate presently).

[Gnostic Bishop]

No argument on this.

But from MPOV, it is like if all Germans of today venerated Mein Kampf.

We may not at present be able to get all the foolish religions to scrap their ancient myths but to just let them go along deluding themselves is not us exercising our social consciousness.

It is our duty to mankind to try to have people think in a proper context vis-a-vis ancient myths.

All governments will vilify the enemy at times of war.

Islam is vilifying the enemy in times of peace and we are quite foolish if we just allow that indoctrination to continue.

Regards
DL