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Re: Grateful Dead

Post by John2 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:50 pm

Oh, it's so nice to revisit 1972. While it's not my favorite version, this Jack Straw was the first I ever heard and it takes me back (to 1992!). "There ain't a place a man can hide, Shannon, will keep him from the sun."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAv71VbdkBc

And this is still my favorite Cumberland Blues (and as the Dead's lyricist Robert Hunter once said, "The best compliment I ever had on a lyric was from an old guy who'd worked at the Cumberland mine. He said, 'I wonder what the guy who wrote this song would've thought if he'd ever known something like the Grateful Dead was gonna do it' “).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDWRZEd3Ouc
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Re: Grateful Dead

Post by John2 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:10 pm

And while I'm here (again), I came across this video from 1989 the other day and I've never seen Jerry look so happy. I can see how this energy carried over to those Alpine Valley shows two weeks later (and Bobby's got his short shorts on). "Whistle through your teeth and spit 'cause it's alright." And as a commenter says, "No matter how bummed I get, this band picks me back up every time."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH309ri5M_4

I've never heard the studio version of Sugaree before, and it sounds nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GikGnKuehms

You know, I've been meaning to mention another song I've always liked that they played in the years I like the most (1972-1974 and then brought back in 1990) and that I tend to be very picky about and have never found the "best" version of ... until now. I really like this one (from a show that was a month after another show I like and linked to above in which the bass player says at the end, "See you next month at the Cow Palace").

It's kind of a strange song, one that, like Bob Weir's guitar playing style has been described, walks like its knees bend backwards, and which builds up to a powerful ending ("I'm going back home, that's what I'm gonna do"). And as a former backpacking vagabond, it has lyrics that have always resonated with me ("Alone with the rush of the drivers that won't pick me up, the highway, the moon, the clouds and the stars").

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtuImGatMUg

It’s the kind of strangeness, musically, that is quintessential Weir. He seems to manage, throughout his songwriting career, to challenge himself to not be happy with the easy answers when it comes to the music itself, and I really like that.

http://www.dead.net/features/greatest-s ... ind?page=2

Thinking about the show that was a month before the above Cow Palace show makes me want to hear it again since it's one of my favorites, with a good Dark Star (particularly the last two minutes of it) and Beat it on Down the Line, a great I Know You Rider (one of my favorites), a good El Paso, Loser and Cumberland Blues, my favorite Ship of Fools, Morning Dew and It's All Over Now, Baby Blue, and one of my top three Jack Straws.

https://archive.org/details/gd1974-02-2 ... d1t09.flac

As a reviewer writes:
A thoroughly solid show! Words will not embellish the quality of the tunes, nor will they adequately add anything to what other heads have already commented upon, but I just cannot help offering up how blown away I am after listening to these Feb. Winterland shows. There’s a reason that this particular night gets more of the attention than the previous two nights and that is they were firing on all cylinders with a smooth, fluid show that aside from a few glitches at the beginning of US Blues is virtually flawless, unless one is hypersensitive to particulars. From DS on just WOW! mind blown! That Morning Dew is off the charts. Cornell ‘77 would never have occurred w/o performances like this. I call this super elevation levitation. Towards the end of Dew during the jam Bobby and Phil lock in and provide a very flexible platform for Jerry to just elevate the energy to infinity and beyond. Throughout the entire show they are all equally locked in on a musical telepathy that permeates our speakers and provides a multi-dimensional sound that welcomes and energizes all who listen. I have no doubt that if Bob Dylan were to listen to this version of Its All Over Now Baby Blue he’d be psyched (in some way, shape or form) and might shed a tear or two for his fallen brother. Just a solid show from a solid 3 night run of amazingness. I know there are other nights during ‘74 that are equally if not more impressive but you certainly will not be disappointed with this show. Thanks to the archives and all who allow my ears and mind to be continually to be blown away by the amazing unique sound of the GD. Keep the archive flowing.

And while wondering where that great I Know You Rider ranks on headyversion.com I came across another "China/Rider" that sounds interesting in what seems like an interesting show (6/26), so I'm going to put it here so I can explore it more. And while I'm more of a "Rider" than a "China" guy, this "China" has the most interesting intro I have ever heard.

https://archive.org/details/gd1974-06-2 ... lower.flac

Whoa. This 6/26 show is blowing my mind. Outstanding versions of everything I've heard (with a noted caveat that "U.S. Blues has some crazy mix issues"). An instant favorite. Yeah! 1974!!! I used to wish I had every show from that year, and it's great to be able to explore them on the Archive now.

And after revisiting this show that is now my all-time favorite Brown Eyed Women (the One I've been looking for!) and Black Throated Wind (better than the Cow Palace one!), a very nice Scarlet and a good Beat it on Down the Line, Race is On, Mississippi Half-Step, Weather Report Suite and big Truckin'. Yeah! (And how has no one reviewed this awesome sounding Charlie Miller soundboard recording yet?)

So here's another one (5/14), which, to judge from the Jack Straw test (which is how I tend to initially judge shows), I have a good feeling about.

https://archive.org/details/gd1974-05-1 ... d1t07.flac

That's a top five Jack Straw for me now. And that's a charging Scarlet Begonias, and a good Black Throated Wind too. This is a great show, in a great year.
... the only concert performed by the Grateful Dead in Montana.

In Rolling Stone, Will Hermes wrote, "on this era-epitomizing set, recorded at the University of Montana, [the Grateful Dead are] on point. Jerry Garcia's wah-wah and Keith Godchaux's Fender Rhodes pull jams into Miles Davis free funk territory; vocalist Donna Godchaux adds signature off-notes; and the slow stuff shines brightest."

On NPR, Milo Miles said, "this does seem like an exceptional Grateful Dead gig. Many even very strong Dead shows have a period where the band's impulses get out of sync and the momentum gets lost for a few, or quite a few, minutes. That doesn't happen here, even in the extended "Weather Report Suite" that incorporates "Dark Star" and "China Doll." Just as surprising, keyboardist Keith Godchaux and his wife, singer Donna, are at their most precise and restrained; their ability to enrich the band's sound is evident."

On AllMusic, Fred Thomas wrote, "Saying the band was deep into one of its jammier phases would be a tremendous understatement, with the set list getting into exploratory versions of crowd favorites like "Jack Straw" as well as a stunning rendition of "Weather Report Suite" that blurs into a particularly epic "Dark Star", as well as some of the most jazz-influenced playing the Dead would branch into that year on "Playing in the Band"."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave%27s_Picks_Volume_9

Back in the day I had a copy of this other show from 1974 (7/19) which I never really got into or understood all the fuss about, and I am now determined to finally figure it out. It almost makes me feel like I've never heard the Dead before and need some guidance, so I'm going by these two reviews (and a Charlie Miller soundboard) to help me out.


https://archive.org/details/gd1974-07-1 ... d2t01.flac

This is a typical show of the period...which means totally fucking awesome! The boys were really on a roll in Summer '74. Some of my all time favorites come from this period. Love the unique jazzy jams and that Wall of Sound mix.

This one has showcase versions of Playin' and Scarlet, some of the finest versions of these tunes come from this period. The real reason to pick this show over others with similar setlists, is the unique one-time-only transition between Spanish Jam and Eyes. Bobby playing loose and lively with Keith pounding away on the electric piano, I love that funky sound he gets! Billy snapping away on the snare and Jerry just nailing it to the wall as he was so apt to do in the mid-70s. A transcendent moment that deserves its place in the Hallowed Hall of Immortal Grateful Dead Jams.

A real oddball for '74; I can understand those with some reservations about it, even though this thing is ultimately pretty amazing; some caveats and highlights abound:

Set 1 - that "soundcheck jam" really isn't anything to get hot and bothered over - a one-time listen might be fun, but it's just kind of a lazy bluesy shuffle that doesn't go anywhere or do anything. Seems that they should have done it more, as when Bertha swings into gear they've clearly not got the overall mix right; this is one of those where Billy's drum overpowers every single other instrument; I'd try instead starting this set from Mexicali, if those things bother you...

SCARLET. Listen to that first solo from Jer and tell me this thing isn't cut from hot, grade-A cloth - yowwww, that's cool stuff. Playin', as usual, runs the gamut of water-psychedelic etherealness; Seastones, if you have the patience and concentration for this kind of avant-garde, rewards...

Set 2 comes off rickety, sloppy, worn, but within that shakiness there is some excellent music. He's Gone > US Blues is a prime example of them not really having it completely together but still managing to soldier on; it's the devastating power of Bobby's Weather Report melted down into a Spanish Jam that gets me giddy. Listen to the opening of the WRS - man, how I wish they kept the entire suite intact in later years. The Eyes > China Doll rounds out the set beautifully, again with a bit of shakiness on the lyrics, but it survives - let the "bad" of this show illustrate more clearly the "good".

That's my favorite Playing in the Band now. But I've been going back and forth on the rest of this show. It kind of reminds me of the way I feel about 6/23/74 (which has the most beautiful Jack Straw I've ever heard and linked to somewhere upthread), i.e., quiet and easy to miss. And I've never heard them play Jack Straw like they do here either (and I like it). And that's my favorite Me and My Uncle now (something I never thought I'd have) and a good Eyes of the World.

But while it has its moments, on the whole I'm still not wild about this show. The copy I used to have started at He's Gone so it was nice to hear the rest of it at least.

And there are other shows, and this other one from 1974 I've read good things about (8/6) seems more promising. The Jack Straw alone (which is also going in my top five) sounds better to me than all of 7/19, and Eyes of the World and Scarlet Begonias sound better to me than in the latter as well.

https://archive.org/details/gd1974-08-0 ... s1t06.flac

Wow, that's an amazing Eyes. After a second listen I'm inclined to call it the most impressive one I've ever heard.

This show is a mix of soundboard and audience recordings, which I've been appreciating more lately but still have some reservations about, and in this case it's simply what sounds best to me of the recordings available for it on the Archive (which are pretty much otherwise audience recordings).

It's interesting how the "feel" of one show can differ from another (state of mind, performance or recording-wise), and these last two shows illustrate this well for me. Factoring in my particular hearing, musical tastes, recording options (and new headphones), I just like the way the elements that constituted the Grateful Dead came together more in 8/6 than in 7/19. I'm putting the former in the "keeper" column for the year (along with 2/24, 5/14, 6/18 and 6/26). And it's interesting that it's a show that wasn't "supposed" to happen, since it was originally scheduled for 8/2 and got rained out. So it's a "make up" show and also happens to be the last show of their American summer tour.
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Post by arnoldo » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:43 am

Sorry to resurrect this thread. . . been thinkin' 'bout the Dead lately.

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Re: Grateful Dead

Post by John2 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:33 pm

I think I'm 1974-ed out now. My only complaints would be Wall of Sound quirks and related issues with the quality of soundboard recordings (and perhaps fatigue with the songs -Eyes of the World and Playing in the Band again?- though that's minor considering that the songs were fairly new to them at the time and the sheer number of shows available on the Archive).

So now I'm focusing on 1973, the middle year of the great era of 1972 to 1974, and this one (11/14) seems to have it all:


https://archive.org/details/gd1973-11-1 ... d3t04.flac


My goodness, the more I hear this show the more I'm inclined to call it the best I've ever heard. I like it more than other late '73 shows I've heard and the 1974 shows I've been raving about above, and I can't think of anything else that compares to it or that I would recommend to someone more. That's my new favorite Jack Straw and Black Throated Wind, a great China/Rider and a great three part Other One (with a great Eyes)! I was in a Dead slump and out of nowhere I find this. Wow. This is what it is all about, I would say.

Two words come to mind when listening to this show- texture, and elasticity ... Just before the introduction of the Wall of Sound to the Dead’s touring set-up (which would take place just over 2 weeks later), this show features amazing sound quality, and features that ‘turn-on-a-dime-Dead’ that is so well loved from the Billy-only period ...

What really stands out to me is the confidence in the playing -you can hear each member really pushing the melodic and rhythmic envelopes, and at the same time listening to each other, seeking their special niche in the sound that evening. This is a show that will reward multiple listenings.


https://doseofdead.home.blog/2019/06/20 ... rts-arena/

The Archive is down today so here is that Other One/Eyes from YouTube. As a commenter there says, "outstanding and very trippy ... don't need drugs to enjoy this fantastic band ... they take you somewhere else all by themselves."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMVLfzlzwPk
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Re: Grateful Dead

Post by theeternaliam » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:33 am

John2 wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:59 pm
I'm bored so I thought I'd see if there are any other Grateful Dead fans here. While it may not seem like a religious topic, in my life the most "spiritual" feeling I've had has been listening to the Grateful Dead, and I'm certainly not alone in that respect.
Judaism & the Grateful Dead – an unlikely or natural pairing?

There are many Jews who take to both Judaism and the Grateful Dead like bees to honey. This phenomenon shouldn’t be surprising. It certainly isn’t incongruous. First of all, by definition, serious adherents of both groups are true seekers in search of creating a more humane world. 4000 years ago, Abraham and Sarah, the first Jews, left their idolatrous home and culture in Mesopotamia in search of their one true God and a homeland. Since then, their descendants have practiced Judaism in search of a better world of celebration, justice, security and peace for all. Nearly 50 years ago, the Grateful Dead left the conventional world behind in search of a sound and spirit that would move lives to capture the possibilities of how alluring and joyful life could be. Since then, their fans have followed the music and forged a culture in search of an inspiring joyful spirit that could be shared to create a better world filled with peace and love for all. At their best, both Judaism & the Grateful Dead provide seekers with similar gifts, each in their own language and way. They are spirited dynamic communities who find great significance in life, caring, sharing, celebration and written & oral traditions in the hope of making the world a more joyous and peaceful place for all. Phrases like “Jews for Jerry” and “Blues for Challah” testify to the confluence of these cultures to those who are seriously passionate about both Judaism & the Dead. Many have found incredible insight and inspiration from what both Judaism & the Dead have to offer, resulting in molding people who are truly blessings to humanity.

http://www.relix.com/articles/detail/se ... teful_dead
I'm also severely hearing impaired (since birth), but that hasn't stopped me from enjoying the Dead either like other "Deafheads."

https://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/07 ... ead-shows/

I didn't start listening to them until 1992. I had previously been a "punk" rocker and had no idea what the Dead were about until then. Though I didn't get to see them when Jerry Garcia was alive, I collected bootleg shows and spent the '90's totally into the Dead. At the same time I was beginning to observe Judaism as well, so the two are actually somewhat entwined in my mind.

I did see a few post-Jerry shows, including their last show in Chicago in 2015 (which was amazing!).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grateful_ ... -_2015.jpg

Any other Dead Heads here?
Yea, reluctant Deadhead here. ;) just kidding, kinda. Also, was prejudiced against the dead and such in high school abouts. Was also into punk, from 8th grade on. But had many Deadhead friends. But mostly my love for the dead(and other incarnations of Jerry including JGB, New Riders of the Purple Sage, and Old and In the Way) began with a cassette tape of Go To Heaven and psychedelic doses of morning glory seeds. Still get flashbacks today when hearing Feel Like a Stranger and that frog sound in Altheia.

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Re: Grateful Dead

Post by theeternaliam » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:48 am

John2 wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:33 pm
I think I'm 1974-ed out now. My only complaints would be Wall of Sound quirks and related issues with the quality of soundboard recordings (and perhaps fatigue with the songs -Eyes of the World and Playing in the Band again?- though that's minor considering that the songs were fairly new to them at the time and the sheer number of shows available on the Archive).

So now I'm focusing on 1973, the middle year of the great era of 1972 to 1974, and this one (11/14) seems to have it all:


https://archive.org/details/gd1973-11-1 ... d3t04.flac


My goodness, the more I hear this show the more I'm inclined to call it the best I've ever heard. I like it more than other late '73 shows I've heard and the 1974 shows I've been raving about above, and I can't think of anything else that compares to it or that I would recommend to someone more. That's my new favorite Jack Straw (and that's saying something); a nice Sugaree; a nice Mexicali Blues; a cool Here Comes Sunshine; a crazy Cumberland Blues; a nice Tennessee Jed; a great China/Rider (starting at 6:00 into China); and an incredible Black Throated Wind (better than the Cow Palace one and the other one I said was better than the Cow Palace one)! And that three part Other One (with a great Eyes)! I was in a Dead slump and out of nowhere I find this. Wow. This is what it is all about, I would say.

Two words come to mind when listening to this show- texture, and elasticity ... Just before the introduction of the Wall of Sound to the Dead’s touring set-up (which would take place just over 2 weeks later), this show features amazing sound quality, and features that ‘turn-on-a-dime-Dead’ that is so well loved from the Billy-only period ...

What really stands out to me is the confidence in the playing -you can hear each member really pushing the melodic and rhythmic envelopes, and at the same time listening to each other, seeking their special niche in the sound that evening. This is a show that will reward multiple listenings.


https://doseofdead.home.blog/2019/06/20 ... rts-arena/

The Archive is down today so here is that Other One/Eyes from YouTube. As a commenter there says, "outstanding and very trippy ... don't need drugs to enjoy this fantastic band ... they take you somewhere else all by themselves."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMVLfzlzwPk
Some older JGB, had this song though on a mixed cd think it was the 90s version with melvin seals? On keyboard and black gospel back up singers, which is a much better version, but this one being so much older than the one I'm used to sounds pretty cool
Plus the grainy video footage is a nice treat.
Keep the faith and keep pressing on til we make it to the Promised Land
From 1976:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2fM3nI8iMgw
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Re: Grateful Dead

Post by theeternaliam » Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:14 am

Wondering what Jerry was getting at with this tune. THE END IS NIGH?
Reminds me of a story from a Deadhead I met during a cross country hitch hiking, train hopping trip. Think it was Ohio. Dude had a problem where he couldn't get REM sleep ever since he had a bad trip at a dead show. Went to all sorts of doctors. Anyway, during the trip he saw everyone burning in he'll at the concert. Think this helped convince him to convert to Catholicism. I had just found Jesus Christ not long before myself and have had some similar experiences to his so could kinda relate. I was real grateful when the brother gave me a Jerusalem cross(infinite crosses he called it, later heard someone call it ethiopic) made from actual cedar of Lebanon, which cedar is probably my favorite tree

Anywho
Don't look behind you:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cuKNQamDtnE

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Re: Grateful Dead

Post by theeternaliam » Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:38 am

30 years ago today and close enough to me I coulda gone to it. Seems like this woulda bin an awesome show, too. Man, wish I coulda seen Jerry live.

May the heavenly father have mercy on his soul and may he be released from the oppression of the archons and be forgiven of his sins and inherit a place in the realm of the King of Kings
In the name of Jesus Christ I pray
Amen

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=amNUYzTnGnE

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Re: Grateful Dead

Post by John2 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:39 am

You know, I never got into JGB (or New Riders or Old and in the Way). And I know people who like JGB and don't like the Dead. To each their own, I guess. But it was interesting to see those videos nevertheless. And it amazes me how much Jerry played in and outside of the Dead. And who knows, maybe someday I'll come around to that other stuff.

I do like what Jerry did with David Grisman though and had three of their albums. I don't know why Jerry's other stuff doesn't strike me the same way, but oh, well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st-8ymDg8pQ
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Re: Grateful Dead

Post by theeternaliam » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:55 pm

Can feel its almost autumn. Shady Grove sounds like it'll be good soundtrack for the longer nights.
Had a few friends pass the past few years. There are certain songs i heard for the first time after they died that would sound like they were meant for them. One of them is a garcia/grisman tune that almost brings me to tears every time because it reminds me of a friend who passed that was in touch with his feminine side and had long hair, so could be one of the " sisters" in this song. The other message i get from this song is about how we are all responsible for each other. We are also responsible to our mother earth and our brothers and sisters, the plants and animals and all of creation

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6CQ616RZH_Q

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