Book review of Gilad Atzmon's The Wandering Who?
Re: Book review of Gilad Atzmon's The Wandering Who?
Gilad Atzmon has chosen the model of Athens over the example of Jerusalem.
He says of Greece that she was reason, beauty, freedom and humanity , among many other things.
Many people chose the way of life of the Greeks in ancient times , and many people now love the glory that was Greece and the joy of living that this choice entails. There is nothing offensive in that choice
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He says of Greece that she was reason, beauty, freedom and humanity , among many other things.
Many people chose the way of life of the Greeks in ancient times , and many people now love the glory that was Greece and the joy of living that this choice entails. There is nothing offensive in that choice
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Re: Book review of Gilad Atzmon's The Wandering Who?
Rechilut causes hatred toward the subject, or between the listener and the subject..
Is someone trying to intimidate Gilad Atzmon?
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Is someone trying to intimidate Gilad Atzmon?
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Re: Book review of Gilad Atzmon's The Wandering Who?
Religion sanctifies cruelty by making Hashem the doer.
Is child sacrifice a bad thing? No it is what holy men should do when commanded by Hashem. And so on and on
This malignant attitude that infected the Greek world is the explanation for the nightmare which gripped Europe during the Holy Roman Inquisition. This attitude also infected the Arabian Peninsula with longer lasting result.
Today the Palestinian men, women and children were robbed by the same violent people taking possession of the Promised Land.
Holy Holy Holy you shall remain.
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Is child sacrifice a bad thing? No it is what holy men should do when commanded by Hashem. And so on and on
This malignant attitude that infected the Greek world is the explanation for the nightmare which gripped Europe during the Holy Roman Inquisition. This attitude also infected the Arabian Peninsula with longer lasting result.
Today the Palestinian men, women and children were robbed by the same violent people taking possession of the Promised Land.
Holy Holy Holy you shall remain.
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2789&p=64158#p64158
Re: Book review of Gilad Atzmon's The Wandering Who?
Athens and Jerusalem
Many years BCE Greece developed a civilization that created architecture, theatre, mathematics, art, commerce, philosophy, democratic politics, Greece also defeated the invasion by the mighty Persian Empire and finally Alexander conquered Persia and treated the captive population as equals. Greece did all this while being polytheistic. That is godless evil or whatever!!
While Greece was doing all this, the true god of monotheistic Israel produced nothing comparable. They only produced an account of genocide during the conquest of the small plot of land, that HaShem had allocated to them in return for absolute obedience, and of the systematic repression of the uncircumcised and idolaters.
It is a pity that Europe was infected with a variant of this virus (Islam has remained so much closer to the original, regrettably!). The Torah is an instrument of intolerance and importing this tribal cult into Europe lead to the horrific and repugnant dark ages of Medieval Europe.
The Renaissance returned to Europe some of the values of ancient Greece, thus liberating people’s minds from the tyranny of one-god heaven and the sinister obsession with detection of the baptised and not baptised, - the circumcised and the uncircumcised of old.
Many years BCE Greece developed a civilization that created architecture, theatre, mathematics, art, commerce, philosophy, democratic politics, Greece also defeated the invasion by the mighty Persian Empire and finally Alexander conquered Persia and treated the captive population as equals. Greece did all this while being polytheistic. That is godless evil or whatever!!
While Greece was doing all this, the true god of monotheistic Israel produced nothing comparable. They only produced an account of genocide during the conquest of the small plot of land, that HaShem had allocated to them in return for absolute obedience, and of the systematic repression of the uncircumcised and idolaters.
It is a pity that Europe was infected with a variant of this virus (Islam has remained so much closer to the original, regrettably!). The Torah is an instrument of intolerance and importing this tribal cult into Europe lead to the horrific and repugnant dark ages of Medieval Europe.
The Renaissance returned to Europe some of the values of ancient Greece, thus liberating people’s minds from the tyranny of one-god heaven and the sinister obsession with detection of the baptised and not baptised, - the circumcised and the uncircumcised of old.
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Joe, you are reading the chapter heading perversely, with hostile intent, determined to find an excuse to accuse Atzmon of an attitude that suits your agenda.JoeWallack wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:57 am Chapter 15
The title is. So he has taken the all-time greatest historical documentation of real Genocide, Ethnic Cleansing and Apartheid, committed against the Jews by non-Jews, and tried to minimize it by trying to convert it into (what he thinks) is a funny title.Swindler's List
Guess what. I did not read that title as "funny" at all. And it never crossed my mind that Atzmon was in the least thinking it was "funny". Ironical, yes, definitely. But hardly "funny". What sort of mind do you have that twists something like that to believe Atzmon is having some sort of "giggle"?
Your mindreading and twisting of Atzmon's words is telling us far more about you than it says anything approaching reality in Atzmon or his more open-minded readers.
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Re: Book review of Gilad Atzmon's The Wandering Who?
Joe, you have not quoted a single line from Atzmon to support any of your bizarre readings. Just once, one would think, you would find a direct quote to support your accusations of antisemitism etc. But no, nothing. Every time you have to rely upon your own discussion of what you believe you can see between the lines and behind the words.
I read Atzmon and I feel a compassion for the Jewish people who are trapped in the ideology Atzmon hates himself for. I don't feel the least antagonistic towards Jews as a people. None. Now why do you think that is?
But of course you don't believe me, do you. So you don't quote me. You do the same as you do with Atzmon. You tell us what you read between the lines and behind the words.
In other words, you put your fingers in your ears and refuse to hear what we are saying and yell instead that we are saying something that is far closer to an expression of your own hatred and fear.
I read Atzmon and I feel a compassion for the Jewish people who are trapped in the ideology Atzmon hates himself for. I don't feel the least antagonistic towards Jews as a people. None. Now why do you think that is?
But of course you don't believe me, do you. So you don't quote me. You do the same as you do with Atzmon. You tell us what you read between the lines and behind the words.
In other words, you put your fingers in your ears and refuse to hear what we are saying and yell instead that we are saying something that is far closer to an expression of your own hatred and fear.
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Why Zionists accuse those fighting against racism of anti-semitism
p. 69, Wandering WhoZionism, for instance, is maintained by anti-Semitism. This may explain why Zionists are so
enthusiastic about the growing statistics of anti-Semitic incidents. Similarly, gay marginal politics is
fueled by homophobia and feminism thrives on the male chauvinist. Marginal and identity politics are
destined to engage in an exchange with mainstream discourse. But it can never reconcile. It is there to
retain negation.
Joe, a question. Does one have to hate Palestinian Arabs in order to prove one is not an anti-Semite in your view?
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JW:
Chapter 16
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For Gilad Atzmon, antisemites and Neil Godfree The Holocaust is a thing of the past, in general it should be forgotten and should never ever be used in any way to support Jews or Israel, such as justifying the creation of Israel and supporting strong Jewish security measures. On the other hand it is recent enough that it can only be used to compare The Jews/Israelis to Nazis and Palestinians to Jewish victims of the Nazis. You are even permitted to explore possible connections between Jews/Zionists and real Nazis but don't you ever ever mention the real historical connection between the leaders of the Palestinians and Hitler and leading Nazis.
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The New Porphyry
JW:
Chapter 16
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Surprised it took him so long to take a shot at his hero Weininger's unfavorite target feminists:Trauma Queen
Hitler, Martin Luther and Gilad Atzmon walk into a London Bar. The Bartender asks why the long faces and nose? Hitler says, "we have good news and bad news. The good news is a busload of Jews drove over a cliff." The bartender says, "so what's the bad news?". Gilad Atzmon says "there were 3 empty seats."an American Jewish Feminist academic
The fact that a few scholars base their analysis of Israeli identity on some sort of collective Jewish trauma doesn't mean that Jews are indeed traumatised by their past. It is far more likely that they are traumatised by their imaginary future.
People like myself, who were born in the 1960s or later, way after the liberation of Auschwitz. People who claim to have been afflicted by events that neither they nor there parents had experienced.
Pre-Traumatic Stress Syndrome (Pre-TSS) is a fundamental tenet of Jewish and Israeli culture.
JW:Rather than developing some empathetic feelings towards victims of oppression, i.e. the Palestinians, the tormented Isreali youth actually seem to mimic SS brutality.
For Gilad Atzmon, antisemites and Neil Godfree The Holocaust is a thing of the past, in general it should be forgotten and should never ever be used in any way to support Jews or Israel, such as justifying the creation of Israel and supporting strong Jewish security measures. On the other hand it is recent enough that it can only be used to compare The Jews/Israelis to Nazis and Palestinians to Jewish victims of the Nazis. You are even permitted to explore possible connections between Jews/Zionists and real Nazis but don't you ever ever mention the real historical connection between the leaders of the Palestinians and Hitler and leading Nazis.
The previous paragraph he was reacting to mainly just cited threats to Israel. As far as no one calling for the destruction of the Jews or the Israeli people I'd say he really needs to get out more but hell, all he has to do is visit a London Mosque. Just don't tell them he's Jewish.Though it may be that a growing number of people want to see an end to Israel, no one in political or media circles is calling for the destruction of the Jews or the Israeli people.
[Rhetorical]Is their any doubt that if Hamas/Hezbollah/Houthis had a nuclear bomb they would try to drop it on Israel.[/Rhetorical]Israel and its lobbies have been publicly fixated on the nuclear Shoah to come
You see this type of idiocy on Godfree's blog. The Arabs could have won the Wars but they didn't really want to. They preferred to suffer humiliating defeats to send Israel/The Jews a message. Just like Hamas/Hezbollah.This is what Arab and islamic resistance is all about: a metaphysical image rather than a call for a Judeocide
Every major Palestinian political party officially calls for the destruction of Israel as does Hezbollah and Houthis.As no one is actually voicing a call to throw the Israelis into the sea or nuke them, Israel's inclinations to blame Muslims and Arabs for holding such murderous tendencies
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Let my people go.
But the eternal stiffened the heart of the Pharaoh, and he would not listen.
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An old habit.
When Jesus came with some ideas
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