Book review of Gilad Atzmon's The Wandering Who?

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From the posts up till now from the haters here I fear that the above images and video will be deemed antisemitic.

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Post by JoeWallack » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:33 am

JW:

I've added titles here of Atzmon's blatant antisemitic posts because his titles often EXPAND the level of antisemitism making a broader, more misleading antisemitic claim than just the article itself. You can see the same phenomeana at Godfree's blog Expulsion of the Palestinians, Part 11. The title itself explicitly and simply claims "The Palestinians" were expelled. The book Godfree actually refers to limits the charge to supposed Zionist political thought, which is dishonest by itself as Israel never had a policy of "expelling the Palestinians", and hypocritical as the Palestinians and every surrounding Arab country did in fact have a policy of expelling all the Jews and the Arab countries did expel all their Jews.

Date of Post Title of Post Description of Event Injured Party Claimed Responsible Party Level of Belief Reason for Belief Commentary
4-24-18 - Crimes against non-Jews by Jews Non-Jews Jews Conclusion Increase in crime against Jews -
4-22-18 - Historical persecution of Jews by non-Jews Jews Jews Conclusion Portman refused to accept award in Israel -
4-21-18 On the False Dichotomy Between 'Jews' and 'Zionism' Which category of Jews are guilty of crimes Victims of Jewish crimes Jews who identify as Jews Conclusion Antisemitism The article clearly claims that "Jewishness" is a serious problem for the world but is unclear as to what "Jewishness" is. That's a bad combination. Per Atzmon then it is acceptable/obligatory/important to publicly state in some form that "Jewishness" is a serious problem for the world. The article says that the problem category of Jews is much larger than just Judaism because it includes Jews who are not religious. The article says that Jews, the people, "may not be the problem", with the implication that Jews, the people, may be the problem. Again, without defining "Jews, the people." It concludes with the statement that Jewishness is always the problem because "Jewishness" is racially oriented.
4-20-18 Syrian Boy in White Helmets FAKE Chemical Attack Video Reveals the Truth - How many Ziocon immoral interventionist wars are going to be launched before the penny drops? Alleged chemical weapons attack in Syria Disputed if anyone was injured The White Helmets NGO. Atzmon claims they staged fake evidence for a chemical weapons attack. Conclusion Russian produced video Here Atzmon makes the antisemitic claim that the Syria Civil War is Israel's fault, "Ziocon immoral interventionist war". Actually the main interventionist is Iran which literally intervened as an ally of Syria and turned the War in Syria's favor. Israel's main interest here is to keep its arch-enemy Iran away because as they say, "Don't shiite where you live." So once again Godfree, is this claim by Atzmon antisemitic? If you know it is and say it's not then you are a liar. If you know it is and don't answer than you are a troll and hypocrite. If you don't think it is and say so then you are just stupid. So I'm giving you one more choice than the Jews who lived in Arab countries had who could either be expelled or stay and be murdered.

Following Atmon's blog now I can see that he is just a media "character" like Alex Jones or The Sheik from WWF. His unreasonable criticism of Jews/Zionists/Israel is actually hurting the Palestinian cause (which even they have recognized). I have faith that he will eventually write wondering if he himself is an Israeli spy, without realizing it, because that is just the sort of false flag the Mossad is famous for. In the meantime I'll start tracking his antisemitic posts. Every individual post is antisemitic by itself to some extent but certainly in total, with every post being negatively obsessed with Jews/Zionists/Israel he is an antisemite in general and if someone doesn't think so that says more about them than it does about Atzmon.


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Re: Book review of Gilad Atzmon's The Wandering Who?

Post by neilgodfrey » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:09 pm

Gilad responds to Joe's lies but Joe plugs his ears yelling 'la la la la I can't hear you'



Meanwhile, only a vile antisemite could possibly write the following, yes? But it does not fit with Joe's twisted dis-reading of Atzmon's other works so he ignores it.

Imagine an Israeli PM wakes up one sunny morning with the unusual determination to bring about true peace. In the wee small hours, wisdom embraces him or her. He or she realises that Israel is in fact Palestine: it is stretched over historic Palestine at the expense of the Palestinian people, their livelihood and their history. He or she grasps that the Palestinians are the indigenous people of the land, and the rockets they shoot from time to time are nothing but love letters to their stolen villages, orchards, vineyards and fields. Our imaginary Israeli PM realises that the so-called Israeli-Palestinian conflict can be resolved in 25 minutes once both people decide to live together. Following the Israeli unilateral tradition, an immediate televised press conference is called on the same day at 14:00. Captivated by true righteousness, the PM announces to the world and his/her people ‘Israel realises its unique circumstances and its responsibility for world peace. Israel calls the Palestinian people to return to their homes. The Jewish state is to become a state of its citizens, where all people enjoy full equal rights’.

Though shocked by the sudden Israeli move, political analysts around the world would be quick to realise that, considering Israel is the representative of world Jewry, such a simple peaceful initiative won’t just resolve the conflict in the Middle East, it would also bring to an end two millennia of mutual suspicion and resentfulness between Christians and Jews. Some right-wing Israeli academics, ideologists and politicians join the revolutionary initiative and declare that such a heroic unilateral Israeli act could be the one and only total and comprehensive fulfilment of the Zionist dream, for not only have Jews returned to their alleged historical home, they also have managed, at last, to love their neighbours and be loved in return.

As much as such an idea is thrilling, we shouldn’t expect it to happen any time soon, for Israel is the Jewish state and Jewishness is an ethno-centric ideology driven by exclusiveness, exceptionalism, racial supremacy and a deep inherent inclination toward segregation.

For Israel and Israelis to become people like other people, all traces of Jewish ideological superiority must be eliminated first. For the Jewish state to lead a peace initiative, Israel must be de-Zionised – it should first stop being the Jewish State. Similarly, in order for an imaginary Israeli PM to bring peace about, he or she must be de-Zionised first.

As things stand, the Jewish State is categorically unable to lead the region into reconciliation. It lacks the necessary ingredients needed to think in terms of harmony and reconciliation.

The only people who can bring peace about are the Palestinians, because Palestine, against all odds and in spite of the endless suffering, humiliation and oppression, is still an ethically-driven ecumenical society.

As far as Jews are concerned, a few questions remain. Can the Jewish identity discourse be liberated from its self-imposed ideological and spiritual tyranny? Can Jewish politics drift away from supremacy? Can Jews save themselves? My answer is simple: for Jewish ideology to universalise itself and for Jews to move on and emancipate themselves, a vigorous and honest process of self-reflection must take place. Whether Jews can engage in such a critical endeavour is an open question. I don’t know the answer, I guess that some can, others can’t. I would hope, though, that this book may offer a fairly good start.
The Wandering Who, pages 187-189

Joe wants to ignore anything that does not support his twisted, hate-filled obsessions.

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Re: Book review of Gilad Atzmon's The Wandering Who?

Post by neilgodfrey » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:18 pm

If you see an image that presents love and peace in situations where you personally believe in hate and war, your hate and war beliefs will be challenged. If your hate and war beliefs are challenged you will react in the same way as if you are physically threatened.

So if you want to appreciate images of love and peace and have the courage to admit your beliefs in hate are mistaken, read this:

https://massivesci.com/articles/brain-p ... -politics/

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Post by JoeWallack » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:21 am

JW:

I've added titles here of Atzmon's blatant antisemitic posts because his titles often EXPAND the level of antisemitism making a broader, more misleading antisemitic claim than just the article itself. You can see the same phenomeana at Godfree's blog Expulsion of the Palestinians, Part 11. The title itself explicitly and simply claims "The Palestinians" were expelled. The book Godfree actually refers to limits the charge to supposed Zionist political thought, which is dishonest by itself as Israel never had a policy of "expelling the Palestinians", and hypocritical as the Palestinians and every surrounding Arab country did in fact have a policy of expelling all the Jews and the Arab countries did expel all their Jews.

Date of Post Title of Post Description of Event Injured Party Claimed Responsible Party Level of Belief Reason for Belief Commentary
4-24-18 - Crimes against non-Jews by Jews Non-Jews Jews Conclusion Increase in crime against Jews -
4-22-18 Portman and Corbyn Historical persecution of Jews by non-Jews Jews Jews Conclusion Portman refused to accept award in Israel The one event here that Atzmon is commenting on is Portman refusing to accept an award in Israel. Some Israeli/Jewish officials criticized her for doing so. Most didn't say anything. So this was a case of some Jews criticizing a Jew. Atzmon takes this all the way as historical evidence of Jewish intolerance towards non-Jews which explains why Jews have been persecuted by non-Jews and why it is Jewish fault that Jews were persecuted by non-Jews. This is an especially disgusting conclusion as it would be so much easier to make an argument that it was/is/will be the other way around. It is the non-Jews, Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians that are guilty of everything Atzmon accuses "The Jews" of (such as intolerance).
4-21-18 On the False Dichotomy Between 'Jews' and 'Zionism' Which category of Jews are guilty of crimes Victims of Jewish crimes Jews who identify as Jews Conclusion Antisemitism The article clearly claims that "Jewishness" is a serious problem for the world but is unclear as to what "Jewishness" is. That's a bad combination. Per Atzmon then it is acceptable/obligatory/important to publicly state in some form that "Jewishness" is a serious problem for the world. The article says that the problem category of Jews is much larger than just Judaism because it includes Jews who are not religious. The article says that Jews, the people, "may not be the problem", with the implication that Jews, the people, may be the problem. Again, without defining "Jews, the people." It concludes with the statement that Jewishness is always the problem because "Jewishness" is racially oriented.
4-20-18 Syrian Boy in White Helmets FAKE Chemical Attack Video Reveals the Truth - How many Ziocon immoral interventionist wars are going to be launched before the penny drops? Alleged chemical weapons attack in Syria Disputed if anyone was injured The White Helmets NGO. Atzmon claims they staged fake evidence for a chemical weapons attack. Conclusion Russian produced video Here Atzmon makes the antisemitic claim that the Syria Civil War is Israel's fault, "Ziocon immoral interventionist war". Actually the main interventionist is Iran which literally intervened as an ally of Syria and turned the War in Syria's favor. Israel's main interest here is to keep its arch-enemy Iran away because as they say, "Don't shiite where you live." So once again Godfree, is this claim by Atzmon antisemitic? If you know it is and say it's not then you are a liar. If you know it is and don't answer than you are a troll and hypocrite. If you don't think it is and say so then you are just stupid. So I'm giving you one more choice than the Jews who lived in Arab countries had who could either be expelled or stay and be murdered.

Following Atmon's blog now I can see that he is just a media "character" like Alex Jones or The Sheik from WWF. His unreasonable criticism of Jews/Zionists/Israel is actually hurting the Palestinian cause (which even they have recognized). I have faith that he will eventually write wondering if he himself is an Israeli spy, without realizing it, because that is just the sort of false flag the Mossad is famous for. In the meantime I'll start tracking his antisemitic posts. Every individual post is antisemitic by itself to some extent but certainly in total, with every post being negatively obsessed with Jews/Zionists/Israel he is an antisemite in general and if someone doesn't think so that says more about them than it does about Atzmon.


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Post by JoeWallack » Tue May 01, 2018 6:31 am

JW:

I've added titles here of Atzmon's blatant antisemitic posts because his titles often EXPAND the level of antisemitism making a broader, more misleading antisemitic claim than just the article itself. You can see the same phenomeana at Godfree's blog Expulsion of the Palestinians, Part 11. The title itself explicitly and simply claims "The Palestinians" were expelled. The book Godfree actually refers to limits the charge to supposed Zionist political thought, which is dishonest by itself as Israel never had a policy of "expelling the Palestinians", and hypocritical as the Palestinians and every surrounding Arab country did in fact have a policy of expelling all the Jews and the Arab countries did expel all their Jews.

Date of Post Title of Post Description of Event Injured Party Claimed Responsible Party Level of Belief Reason for Belief Commentary
4-24-18 Jewish Guilt is the Discourse of The Goyim Crimes against non-Jews by Jews Non-Jews Jews Conclusion Increase in crime against Jews Atzmon starts out with the supposed general observation that Jews are persecuted far less than other minorities. Current statistics show though that this is a false claim in absolute terms, in countries where there are actually Jews, Jews are either the leaders in persecution or contending. In relative terms the number are astounding considering how fewer Jews there are than other minorities. So Atmon is either lying, cherry picking or repeating false claims. This false starter is used by Atzmon though because it is consistent with the conclusion he wants to make, that "The Jews" are imagining that there is antisemitism. When his conclusion goes the other way, there is a lot of antisemitism, he blames "The Jews" for it saying it is deserved. Here though, with Atzmon's denial of significant antisemitism, since Jewish claims of antisemitism are not based on real antisemitism, they must be based on something else. That something else per Atzmon is Jewish guilt (not "Israeli/Zionist/Identity Jews" guilt but "Jewish guilt" per the title). Atzmon's connecting argument is cherry-picking several examples of Israeli security measures and...nothing else. So Israel, trying to defend itself from Terrorist organizations, is the reason Jews feel guilty. As always, no discussion of whether Palestinians, Pallynistas (supporters of a Palestinian right of return to their homeland based on their religion and history) and supporters of either should feel guilty about how Palestinian/Arab/Muslim Identity Politics supports never ending crimes against Jews and humanity is permitted.
I keep asking Godfree whether an Atzmon post like this is antisemitic. So far his answers are:
1. No one is looking at this Thread.
2. Others are looking at this Thread but they are me.
3. Others are looking at this Thread but he is not reading my posts.
4. He is reading my posts but he has answered my question by posting a video of Atzmon that includes "Jew", "Palestinian" and the word "peace" with the implication that that proves that Atzmon is not antisemitic in general and has not specifically posted anything antisemitc.
4-22-18 Portman and Corbyn Historical persecution of Jews by non-Jews Jews Jews Conclusion Portman refused to accept award in Israel The one event here that Atzmon is commenting on is Portman refusing to accept an award in Israel. Some Israeli/Jewish officials criticized her for doing so. Most didn't say anything. So this was a case of some Jews criticizing a Jew. Atzmon takes this all the way as historical evidence of Jewish intolerance towards non-Jews which explains why Jews have been persecuted by non-Jews and why it is Jewish fault that Jews were persecuted by non-Jews. This is an especially disgusting conclusion as it would be so much easier to make an argument that it was/is/will be the other way around. It is the non-Jews, Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians that are guilty of everything Atzmon accuses "The Jews" of (such as intolerance).
4-21-18 On the False Dichotomy Between 'Jews' and 'Zionism' Which category of Jews are guilty of crimes Victims of Jewish crimes Jews who identify as Jews Conclusion Antisemitism The article clearly claims that "Jewishness" is a serious problem for the world but is unclear as to what "Jewishness" is. That's a bad combination. Per Atzmon then it is acceptable/obligatory/important to publicly state in some form that "Jewishness" is a serious problem for the world. The article says that the problem category of Jews is much larger than just Judaism because it includes Jews who are not religious. The article says that Jews, the people, "may not be the problem", with the implication that Jews, the people, may be the problem. Again, without defining "Jews, the people." It concludes with the statement that Jewishness is always the problem because "Jewishness" is racially oriented.
4-20-18 Syrian Boy in White Helmets FAKE Chemical Attack Video Reveals the Truth - How many Ziocon immoral interventionist wars are going to be launched before the penny drops? Alleged chemical weapons attack in Syria Disputed if anyone was injured The White Helmets NGO. Atzmon claims they staged fake evidence for a chemical weapons attack. Conclusion Russian produced video Here Atzmon makes the antisemitic claim that the Syria Civil War is Israel's fault, "Ziocon immoral interventionist war". Actually the main interventionist is Iran which literally intervened as an ally of Syria and turned the War in Syria's favor. Israel's main interest here is to keep its arch-enemy Iran away because as they say, "Don't shiite where you live." So once again Godfree, is this claim by Atzmon antisemitic? If you know it is and say it's not then you are a liar. If you know it is and don't answer than you are a troll and hypocrite. If you don't think it is and say so then you are just stupid. So I'm giving you one more choice than the Jews who lived in Arab countries had who could either be expelled or stay and be murdered.

Following Atmon's blog now I can see that he is just a media "character" like Alex Jones or The Sheik from WWF. His unreasonable criticism of Jews/Zionists/Israel is actually hurting the Palestinian cause (which even they have recognized). I have faith that he will eventually write wondering if he himself is an Israeli spy, without realizing it, because that is just the sort of false flag the Mossad is famous for. In the meantime I'll start tracking his antisemitic posts. Every individual post is antisemitic by itself to some extent but certainly in total, with every post being negatively obsessed with Jews/Zionists/Israel he is an antisemite in general and if someone doesn't think so that says more about them than it does about Atzmon.


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JW:

Date of Post Title of Post Description of Event Injured Party Claimed Responsible Party Level of Belief Reason for Belief Commentary
4-25-18 Easy Talk with Lavrov Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov claims in interview that Syria did not use chemical weapons. Per Western governments, mainly Syrian civilians Lavrov claims no responsible party because there was no chemical weapons attack. Atzmon suspects there is a reason why non Westerners leaders like Lavrov are intelligent and Western leaders are not. Atzmon's existing belief that Western leaders are unintelligent stooges of Israel/Zionists/The Jews. Again, Atzmon starts with his conclusion, here, that there is something seriously wrong with Western leaders. He than makes a claim to support his conclusion, here, that Western leaders are wrong about a Syrian chemical weapons attack, even though the evidence indicates that Western leaders are correct. Atzmon literally leaves open here what the reason is for Western leader stupidity specifically for this issue and in general. But for those familiar with Atzmon or simply antisemites the reason is always Israel/Zionists/The Jews.
4-24-18 Jewish Guilt is the Discourse of The Goyim Crimes against non-Jews by Jews Non-Jews Jews Conclusion Increase in crime against Jews Atzmon starts out with the supposed general observation that Jews are persecuted far less than other minorities. Current statistics show though that this is a false claim in absolute terms, in countries where there are actually Jews, Jews are either the leaders in persecution or contending. In relative terms the number are astounding considering how fewer Jews there are than other minorities. So Atmon is either lying, cherry picking or repeating false claims. This false starter is used by Atzmon though because it is consistent with the conclusion he wants to make, that "The Jews" are imagining that there is antisemitism. When his conclusion goes the other way, there is a lot of antisemitism, he blames "The Jews" for it saying it is deserved. Here though, with Atzmon's denial of significant antisemitism, since Jewish claims of antisemitism are not based on real antisemitism, they must be based on something else. That something else per Atzmon is Jewish guilt (not "Israeli/Zionist/Identity Jews" guilt but "Jewish guilt" per the title). Atzmon's connecting argument is cherry-picking several examples of Israeli security measures and...nothing else. So Israel, trying to defend itself from Terrorist organizations, is the reason Jews feel guilty. As always, no discussion of whether Palestinians, Pallynistas (supporters of a Palestinian right of return to their homeland based on their religion and history) and supporters of either should feel guilty about how Palestinian/Arab/Muslim Identity Politics supports never ending crimes against Jews and humanity is permitted.
I keep asking Godfree whether an Atzmon post like this is antisemitic. So far his answers are:
1. No one is looking at this Thread.
2. Others are looking at this Thread but they are me.
3. Others are looking at this Thread but he is not reading my posts.
4. He is reading my posts but he has answered my question by posting a video of Atzmon that includes "Jew", "Palestinian" and the word "peace" with the implication that that proves that Atzmon is not antisemitic in general and has not specifically posted anything antisemitc.
4-22-18 Portman and Corbyn Historical persecution of Jews by non-Jews Jews Jews Conclusion Portman refused to accept award in Israel The one event here that Atzmon is commenting on is Portman refusing to accept an award in Israel. Some Israeli/Jewish officials criticized her for doing so. Most didn't say anything. So this was a case of some Jews criticizing a Jew. Atzmon takes this all the way as historical evidence of Jewish intolerance towards non-Jews which explains why Jews have been persecuted by non-Jews and why it is Jewish fault that Jews were persecuted by non-Jews. This is an especially disgusting conclusion as it would be so much easier to make an argument that it was/is/will be the other way around. It is the non-Jews, Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians that are guilty of everything Atzmon accuses "The Jews" of (such as intolerance).
4-21-18 On the False Dichotomy Between 'Jews' and 'Zionism' Which category of Jews are guilty of crimes Victims of Jewish crimes Jews who identify as Jews Conclusion Antisemitism The article clearly claims that "Jewishness" is a serious problem for the world but is unclear as to what "Jewishness" is. That's a bad combination. Per Atzmon then it is acceptable/obligatory/important to publicly state in some form that "Jewishness" is a serious problem for the world. The article says that the problem category of Jews is much larger than just Judaism because it includes Jews who are not religious. The article says that Jews, the people, "may not be the problem", with the implication that Jews, the people, may be the problem. Again, without defining "Jews, the people." It concludes with the statement that Jewishness is always the problem because "Jewishness" is racially oriented.
4-20-18 Syrian Boy in White Helmets FAKE Chemical Attack Video Reveals the Truth - How many Ziocon immoral interventionist wars are going to be launched before the penny drops? Alleged chemical weapons attack in Syria Disputed if anyone was injured The White Helmets NGO. Atzmon claims they staged fake evidence for a chemical weapons attack. Conclusion Russian produced video Here Atzmon makes the antisemitic claim that the Syria Civil War is Israel's fault, "Ziocon immoral interventionist war". Actually the main interventionist is Iran which literally intervened as an ally of Syria and turned the War in Syria's favor. Israel's main interest here is to keep its arch-enemy Iran away because as they say, "Don't shiite where you live." So once again Godfree, is this claim by Atzmon antisemitic? If you know it is and say it's not then you are a liar. If you know it is and don't answer than you are a troll and hypocrite. If you don't think it is and say so then you are just stupid. So I'm giving you one more choice than the Jews who lived in Arab countries had who could either be expelled or stay and be murdered.



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