Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

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Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:31 pm

iskander wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:09 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:57 pm
iskander wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:32 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:34 am
iskander wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:02 pm
One regulated fraud

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http://www.jesus-story.net/painting_crucifixion.htm


Jan Hus, Joan of Arc and ... are other examples .
I don't think ancient and likely imaginary conditions apply to our modern governments.

Come to our modern times.

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DL
Perhaps the history of the 20th century is not that different from events that took place in ancient times and ever since .

History should not be ignored.
True but most Christians do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ptNcSYo7k4

Regards
DL
And what about Christian Gnostics?
We remember the history of religions and that is why we generally disrespect them. Especially those with a supernatural base. Those are idol worshiping cults.

Regards
DL

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Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

Post by iskander » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:40 pm

Christians have preserved the Greek and Roman literature ...

They have also preserved evidence from the the past even when those records were unfavourable to their current thinking
For example , Peter and the Rock

Regarding the "rock", the ancient Roman liturgy uses the following collect for the vigil of the Apostles Ss. Peter and Paul:

Grant, we beseech You, almighty God, that we, whom You have made firm upon the rock of apostolic faith, may not be shaken by any distresses.

And the Latin: Præsta, quaesumus, omnípotens Deus: ut nullis nos permíttas perturbatiónibus cóncuti; quos in apostólicæ confessiónis petra solidásti.

So one of the oldest collects in the Roman liturgy shows us that the "rock" is the apostolic faith. As for the power of binding and loosing, our Lord gives this to all the Apostles. (Matt. 18:18)


http://brewiarz.pl/latin/2202/sexta.php3


https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zVl ... ti&f=false
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Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

Post by iskander » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:45 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:31 pm
iskander wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:09 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:57 pm
iskander wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:32 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:34 am


I don't think ancient and likely imaginary conditions apply to our modern governments.

Come to our modern times.

Regards
DL
Perhaps the history of the 20th century is not that different from events that took place in ancient times and ever since .

History should not be ignored.
True but most Christians do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ptNcSYo7k4

Regards
DL
And what about Christian Gnostics?
We remember the history of religions and that is why we generally disrespect them. Especially those with a supernatural base. Those are idol worshiping cults.

Regards
DL
Christian Gnostics are very wrong to disrespect Christians and I am disappointed on them GC. Selective remembering is fraud.

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Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:54 pm

iskander wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:40 pm
Christians have preserved the Greek and Roman literature ...

They have also preserved evidence from the the past even when those records were unfavourable to their current thinking
For example , Peter and the Rock

Regarding the "rock", the ancient Roman liturgy uses the following collect for the vigil of the Apostles Ss. Peter and Paul:

Grant, we beseech You, almighty God, that we, whom You have made firm upon the rock of apostolic faith, may not be shaken by any distresses.

And the Latin: Præsta, quaesumus, omnípotens Deus: ut nullis nos permíttas perturbatiónibus cóncuti; quos in apostólicæ confessiónis petra solidásti.

So one of the oldest collects in the Roman liturgy shows us that the "rock" is the apostolic faith. As for the power of binding and loosing, our Lord gives this to all the Apostles. (Matt. 18:18)


http://brewiarz.pl/latin/2202/sexta.php3


https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zVl ... ti&f=false
You give the credit due to linguists to religions.

I do not think that even if you were correct that it would justify all the harm that religions have brought to mankind.

We should not throw out the baby with the bathwater but to deny that the baby is in muddy water would not be healthy for any of us.

To try to give religions credit for what science and academia give us is foolish.

Regards
DL

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Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:56 pm

iskander wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:45 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:31 pm
iskander wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:09 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:57 pm
iskander wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:32 am


Perhaps the history of the 20th century is not that different from events that took place in ancient times and ever since .

History should not be ignored.
True but most Christians do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ptNcSYo7k4

Regards
DL
And what about Christian Gnostics?
We remember the history of religions and that is why we generally disrespect them. Especially those with a supernatural base. Those are idol worshiping cults.

Regards
DL
Christian Gnostics are very wrong to disrespect Christians and I am disappointed on them GC. Selective remembering is fraud.
Interesting.

Why should gnostic Christians respect a religion that tried to silence us and deny us freedom of religion with their Inquisitions against us?

This I have to see so do try to be clear.

Regards
DL

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Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

Post by iskander » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:06 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:54 pm
iskander wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:40 pm
Christians have preserved the Greek and Roman literature ...

They have also preserved evidence from the the past even when those records were unfavourable to their current thinking
For example , Peter and the Rock

Regarding the "rock", the ancient Roman liturgy uses the following collect for the vigil of the Apostles Ss. Peter and Paul:

Grant, we beseech You, almighty God, that we, whom You have made firm upon the rock of apostolic faith, may not be shaken by any distresses.

And the Latin: Præsta, quaesumus, omnípotens Deus: ut nullis nos permíttas perturbatiónibus cóncuti; quos in apostólicæ confessiónis petra solidásti.

So one of the oldest collects in the Roman liturgy shows us that the "rock" is the apostolic faith. As for the power of binding and loosing, our Lord gives this to all the Apostles. (Matt. 18:18)


http://brewiarz.pl/latin/2202/sexta.php3


https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zVl ... ti&f=false
You give the credit due to linguists to religions.

I do not think that even if you were correct that it would justify all the harm that religions have brought to mankind.

We should not throw out the baby with the bathwater but to deny that the baby is in muddy water would not be healthy for any of us.

To try to give religions credit for what science and academia give us is foolish.

Regards
DL
The sources mentioned by historians have reached us because dedicated copyists in Christian monasteries made new copies from the perishing exiting ones, otherwise we would know very little about our past .

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Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

Post by iskander » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:12 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:56 pm
iskander wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:45 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:31 pm
iskander wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:09 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:57 pm


True but most Christians do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ptNcSYo7k4

Regards
DL
And what about Christian Gnostics?
We remember the history of religions and that is why we generally disrespect them. Especially those with a supernatural base. Those are idol worshiping cults.

Regards
DL
Christian Gnostics are very wrong to disrespect Christians and I am disappointed on them GC. Selective remembering is fraud.
Interesting.

Why should gnostic Christians respect a religion that tried to silence us and deny us freedom of religion with their Inquisitions against us?

This I have to see so do try to be clear.

Regards
DL
Religions have fought each other , so what?

It is the capacity to improve what separates one religion from another.

A Christian woman once said this to me:

I am a Christian because it is a religion that sits lightly on my shoulders and provides the tradition and social cohesion of a way of life that I value and love.

Our success has made Christianity a desirable target for scalp hunters and our political and social freedom makes it easy for others to express themselves in the most extravagant manner

Those people who like to look back in anger instead of considering ways of doing the most of what we got –and it is an awful lot indeed!- find it easy to focus on bits of our history and treat unfortunate past events as pertaining to some inherent and hereditary defect in our psychological make up. But peoples with less well-known history have experienced an equivalent suffering in some form or another.

I choose to live in my time in history instead of regurgitating worthless historical criticism

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Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

Post by Jax » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:54 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:04 pm
Jax wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:46 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:17 am
Jax wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:05 pm
Where do you draw the line?

And when you do, how do you enforce it?
I have shown where I draw the line.
At lies designed to fleece the weakest and most gullible minds/victims. IOW, fraud.

I cannot enforce it by the government and legal systems can.

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DL
What if the 'Liar' believes what they are saying. If I say that the sky is green and actually believe that, should I be penalized for it even though it is actually blue?

Where you draw the line and where rational people draw the line are apparently two different things.
If they are not using morals examples and are using color examples, like you did, you are correct.

I am pleased not to be in such a poor mental state.

Regards
DL
You must be very young.

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Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:27 am

iskander wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:06 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:54 pm
iskander wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:40 pm
Christians have preserved the Greek and Roman literature ...

They have also preserved evidence from the the past even when those records were unfavourable to their current thinking
For example , Peter and the Rock

Regarding the "rock", the ancient Roman liturgy uses the following collect for the vigil of the Apostles Ss. Peter and Paul:

Grant, we beseech You, almighty God, that we, whom You have made firm upon the rock of apostolic faith, may not be shaken by any distresses.

And the Latin: Præsta, quaesumus, omnípotens Deus: ut nullis nos permíttas perturbatiónibus cóncuti; quos in apostólicæ confessiónis petra solidásti.

So one of the oldest collects in the Roman liturgy shows us that the "rock" is the apostolic faith. As for the power of binding and loosing, our Lord gives this to all the Apostles. (Matt. 18:18)


http://brewiarz.pl/latin/2202/sexta.php3


https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zVl ... ti&f=false
You give the credit due to linguists to religions.

I do not think that even if you were correct that it would justify all the harm that religions have brought to mankind.

We should not throw out the baby with the bathwater but to deny that the baby is in muddy water would not be healthy for any of us.

To try to give religions credit for what science and academia give us is foolish.

Regards
DL
The sources mentioned by historians have reached us because dedicated copyists in Christian monasteries made new copies from the perishing exiting ones, otherwise we would know very little about our past .
Perhaps. That would depend on how much plagiarism and forgery was being done.

Things like what this link shows really screw up our historical view.

In this case, a religion based on humanity was usurped to create a supernaturally based religion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... At-PAkgqls

Christianity took a decent religion and became an idol worshiping cult of a genocidal prick of a God.

Regards
DL

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Re: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:34 am

iskander wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:12 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:56 pm
iskander wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:45 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:31 pm
iskander wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:09 pm

And what about Christian Gnostics?
We remember the history of religions and that is why we generally disrespect them. Especially those with a supernatural base. Those are idol worshiping cults.

Regards
DL
Christian Gnostics are very wrong to disrespect Christians and I am disappointed on them GC. Selective remembering is fraud.
Interesting.

Why should gnostic Christians respect a religion that tried to silence us and deny us freedom of religion with their Inquisitions against us?

This I have to see so do try to be clear.

Regards
DL
Religions have fought each other , so what?

It is the capacity to improve what separates one religion from another.

A Christian woman once said this to me:

I am a Christian because it is a religion that sits lightly on my shoulders and provides the tradition and social cohesion of a way of life that I value and love.

Our success has made Christianity a desirable target for scalp hunters and our political and social freedom makes it easy for others to express themselves in the most extravagant manner

Those people who like to look back in anger instead of considering ways of doing the most of what we got –and it is an awful lot indeed!- find it easy to focus on bits of our history and treat unfortunate past events as pertaining to some inherent and hereditary defect in our psychological make up. But peoples with less well-known history have experienced an equivalent suffering in some form or another.

I choose to live in my time in history instead of regurgitating worthless historical criticism
I figured you could not argue for your previous respect point.

Typical that of those who cannot argue their statements.

But hey, if you think modern people should adore and idol worship a genocidal son murdering prick of a God, go ahead.

Just do not expect moral people to follow Christianity, a homophobic and misogynous religion.

Regards
DL

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