Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

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Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Sat May 19, 2018 8:09 am

Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Christian dogma says that Adam and Eve were murdered by neglect when God locked away the tree of life.

Eve was deceived by Satan and the talking serpent that God put in Eden. This caused the Original Sin concept that Christianity calls a happy fault and necessary to God’s plan.

Was gaining an education and a moral sense, which basically is what gaining knowledge is, justifiable to you?

Can you see yourself punishing your children for gaining an education and a moral sense the way God is punishing Adam and Eve to this day?

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Post by iskander » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:57 pm

Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable? . Adam and Eva are dead

Christian dogma says that Adam and Eve were murdered by neglect when God locked away the tree of life.. Which dogma say that?

Eve was deceived by Satan and the talking serpent that God put in Eden. This caused the Original Sin concept that Christianity calls a happy fault and necessary to God’s plan.---Where in that story does it say Satan deceived Eva?

Was gaining an education and a moral sense, which basically is what gaining knowledge is, justifiable to you?-- does eating fruit from a tree teach all that?

Can you see yourself punishing your children for gaining an education and a moral sense the way God is punishing Adam and Eve to this day? No personal questions, please

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:54 am

You might want to read Genesis to recognize that there was no fruit.

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Post by iskander » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:06 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:54 am
You might want to read Genesis to recognize that there was no fruit.

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It would facilitate our conversation if you say what is not said where...

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Post by iskander » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:56 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:54 am
You might want to read Genesis to recognize that there was no fruit.

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Genesis 3:2 ff

2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden; 3but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, nor shall you touch it, or you shall die.’ ”
...
6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate.

3:2 The woman replied to the serpent, 'We may eat from the fruit of the trees of the garden.

3:3 But of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God said, 'Do not eat it, and do not [even] touch it, or else you will die.'

3:6 The woman saw that the tree was good to eat and desirable to the eyes, and that the tree was attractive as a means to gain intelligence. She took some of its fruit and ate [it]. She also gave some to her husband, and he ate [it].
http://bible.ort.org/books/torahd5.asp? ... &portion=1

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:10 am

iskander wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:06 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:54 am
You might want to read Genesis to recognize that there was no fruit.

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It would facilitate our conversation if you say what is not said where...
I do follow the literal story here.

What does a fruit of knowledge taste like? Sower or sweet?

As a fruit, the restriction is small. Right?

As education, which is what it is, the restriction from God becomes really stupid and immoral. Right?

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:12 am

iskander wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:56 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:54 am
You might want to read Genesis to recognize that there was no fruit.

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DL
Genesis 3:2 ff

2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden; 3but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, nor shall you touch it, or you shall die.’ ”
...
6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate.

3:2 The woman replied to the serpent, 'We may eat from the fruit of the trees of the garden.

3:3 But of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God said, 'Do not eat it, and do not [even] touch it, or else you will die.'

3:6 The woman saw that the tree was good to eat and desirable to the eyes, and that the tree was attractive as a means to gain intelligence. She took some of its fruit and ate [it]. She also gave some to her husband, and he ate [it].
http://bible.ort.org/books/torahd5.asp? ... &portion=1
What was your point?

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Post by iskander » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:22 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:12 am
iskander wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:56 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:54 am
You might want to read Genesis to recognize that there was no fruit.

Regards
DL
Genesis 3:2 ff

2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden; 3but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, nor shall you touch it, or you shall die.’ ”
...
6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate.

3:2 The woman replied to the serpent, 'We may eat from the fruit of the trees of the garden.

3:3 But of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God said, 'Do not eat it, and do not [even] touch it, or else you will die.'

3:6 The woman saw that the tree was good to eat and desirable to the eyes, and that the tree was attractive as a means to gain intelligence. She took some of its fruit and ate [it]. She also gave some to her husband, and he ate [it].
http://bible.ort.org/books/torahd5.asp? ... &portion=1
What was your point?

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DL
they eat fruit from trees.

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Post by iskander » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:31 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:10 am
iskander wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:06 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:54 am
You might want to read Genesis to recognize that there was no fruit.

Regards
DL
It would facilitate our conversation if you say what is not said where...
I do follow the literal story here.

What does a fruit of knowledge taste like? Sower or sweet?

As a fruit, the restriction is small. Right?

As education, which is what it is, the restriction from God becomes really stupid and immoral. Right?

Regards
DL
they eat fruit from trees

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:29 am

iskander wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:22 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:12 am
iskander wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:56 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:54 am
You might want to read Genesis to recognize that there was no fruit.

Regards
DL
Genesis 3:2 ff

2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden; 3but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, nor shall you touch it, or you shall die.’ ”
...
6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate.

3:2 The woman replied to the serpent, 'We may eat from the fruit of the trees of the garden.

3:3 But of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God said, 'Do not eat it, and do not [even] touch it, or else you will die.'

3:6 The woman saw that the tree was good to eat and desirable to the eyes, and that the tree was attractive as a means to gain intelligence. She took some of its fruit and ate [it]. She also gave some to her husband, and he ate [it].
http://bible.ort.org/books/torahd5.asp? ... &portion=1
What was your point?

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DL
they eat fruit from trees.
If you are starving, will you choose a tree of knowledge or another that has actual nourishment?

This is too stupid and I will not respond to such garbage. If you are that dim, stay dim.

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DL

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