Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:22 am

We are on the same p[age on this.

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Post by iskander » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:37 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:22 am
We are on the same p[age on this.

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Laws made by Hashem

The other Reb Chaim. Sunday, October 16, 2005


Moral Jew: Murder

Religion sanctifies cruelty by making Hashem the doer of what is for normal people a crime.
Is child sacrifice a bad thing? No , it is what holy men should do when commanded by Hashem. And so on and on .

A Jew’s morals are dictated by G-d himself. In contrast to an atheist, a religious monotheist’s standards are set by what they feel is His word ...

Critics of the Torah dislike the fact that HaShem has commanded His people to wipe out the seven nations of Canaan[1] and Amalek[2]. ...

One’s own logical conclusion that killing is wrong–no matter what the basis is –can and is always superseded by a direct commandment from G-d. He who gives life has the right to take it away, and He who gives the world the commandment not to murder has the right to make exceptions and Himself order a murder
https://rchaimqoton.blogspot.com/2005/1 ... urder.html


This malignant attitude that infected the Greek world is the explanation for the nightmare which gripped Europe during the Holy Roman Inquisition. This attitude also infected the Arabian Peninsula with longer lasting result.


Today the Palestinian men, women and children were robbed by the same violent people taking possession of the Promised Land.

Holy Holy Holy you shall remain, said the Lord Hashem
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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:43 am

"A Jew’s morals are dictated by G-d himself."

Only if they ignore their own writings.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

It would be strange to think that a God would give us minds and then forbid our using them.

You forget that Karaite Jews, Buddhists and we Gnostic Christians put man above God so your statement above is obviously false.

"He who gives life has the right to take it away, and He who gives the world the commandment not to murder has the right to make exceptions and Himself order a murder"

Would you also apply that to man? As above so below.

You put God above his own law and thus show the falseness of the premise. Do as I say and not as I do is a lousy way to teach.

Would you tech your children such a poor moral lesson?

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Post by iskander » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:00 am

G-d speaks through the Written and the Oral Torah for Hashemites.

God speaks through the Greek Testament for Christians.

Allah speaks through the Koran and Hadith for Muslims.

Each one of these three religions is also known by the informative name of 'ourselves'. and so does Karma and Hindu Dharma and Secular Law.

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:33 am

God speaks to no one. She does not bother with us or acknowledge us.

The usual thing a prick of a God would do.

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Post by iskander » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:47 am

God speaks to religious people and we know this by the very real behaviour of their servants. It is as factual as the consequences of having a mental disease of in some fitting diagnosis


The diseased person will be healthy if the infecting germ is eliminated or sufficiently attenuated.
Negating the reality of the infective germ is not an option.

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:54 am

iskander wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:47 am
God speaks to religious people and we know this by the very real behaviour of their servants. It is as factual as the consequences of having a mental disease of in some fitting diagnosis


The diseased person will be healthy if the infecting germ is eliminated or sufficiently attenuated.
Negating the reality of the infective germ is not an option.
There are no faithful servants. Jesus said that those who were could do what he did and more.

I see no one doing so.

Religions are scams and the sooner we all recognize that the better we will be.

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Nihilism; from Latin nihil, meaning 'nothing'

Post by arnoldo » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:26 am

Now, I am going to have to go back and study nihilism (again).

Nihilism (/ˈnaɪ(h)ɪlɪzəm, ˈniː-/; from Latin nihil, meaning 'nothing') is the philosophical viewpoint that suggests the denial or lack of belief towards the reputedly meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that there is no inherent morality, and that accepted moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism may also take epistemological, ontological, or metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or reality does not actually exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism


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Re: Nihilism; from Latin nihil, meaning 'nothing'

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:54 am

arnoldo wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:26 am
Now, I am going to have to go back and study nihilism (again).

Nihilism (/ˈnaɪ(h)ɪlɪzəm, ˈniː-/; from Latin nihil, meaning 'nothing') is the philosophical viewpoint that suggests the denial or lack of belief towards the reputedly meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that there is no inherent morality, and that accepted moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism may also take epistemological, ontological, or metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or reality does not actually exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

Irrelevant.

Did you have a point to make?

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