Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?

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Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:02 am

Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” Richard Dawkins.

I say shame on all Christians for not judging justly and being morally corrupt.

I offer as evidence of Yahweh’s corruption one simple fact. 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This is god setting a bribe price to reverse his usual justice of punishing the innocent to punishing the guilty. This shows his moral and ethical corruption. It also show Jesus as just as corrupt as he went along with it.

Gen3;22 Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil;
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

What is your judgement?

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DL

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Re: Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?

Post by iskander » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:51 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:02 am
Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” Richard Dawkins.

I say shame on all Christians for not judging justly and being morally corrupt.

I offer as evidence of Yahweh’s corruption one simple fact. 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This is god setting a bribe price to reverse his usual justice of punishing the innocent to punishing the guilty. This shows his moral and ethical corruption. It also show Jesus as just as corrupt as he went along with it.

Gen3;22 Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil;
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

What is your judgement?

Regards
DL

https://vimeo.com/7038401
It is not easy to free slaves , even for a God!. The Americans needed a long and bloody civil war to do that.

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Re: Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?

Post by iskander » Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:02 am

He was chosen before the creation of the world
Certain themes in Judaism have been treated by Jewish authors and sages as pre-existent in the sense that they were created in the sixth day of Genesis. Among them they mentioned the Torah, Repentance, the Garden of Eden and Gehenna, God’s Throne of Glory, the Fathers, Israel, the Temple and the Messiah.

The Messiah first appears as pre-existent in the First Book of Enoch which was originally written in Hebrew or Aramaic about 150 B.C.E From that period on, the concept of the Messiah who was created in the six days of creation, or even prior to them or who was born at variously stated subsequent dates and was then hidden to await his time, became a standard feature of jewish messianic eschatology.


The concept of the pre-existence of the Messiah accords with the general Talmudic view which holds that “The Holy One, blessed be He, prepares the remedy before the wound” ( B.Meg. 13b) .
The names by which the Messiah is called are revealing. In the first book of Enoch he is called, first of all, “Head of Days”, an epithet alluding to his pre-existence. In the same source he is also called “Son of Man, an old biblical appellation heavy with theosophical symbolism...


In any case this multiplicity of names indicates one thing very clearly: The image of the Messiah was very much in the forefront of rabbinical- and undoubtedly also popular- thought from the second century BCE on.
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Re: Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?

Post by iskander » Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:06 am

What is your judgement?
Guilty as charged

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Re: Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?

Post by iskander » Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:10 am

Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?
Gnostics are right .

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Re: Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:36 am

iskander wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:51 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:02 am
Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” Richard Dawkins.

I say shame on all Christians for not judging justly and being morally corrupt.

I offer as evidence of Yahweh’s corruption one simple fact. 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This is god setting a bribe price to reverse his usual justice of punishing the innocent to punishing the guilty. This shows his moral and ethical corruption. It also show Jesus as just as corrupt as he went along with it.

Gen3;22 Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil;
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

What is your judgement?

Regards
DL

https://vimeo.com/7038401
It is not easy to free slaves , even for a God!. The Americans needed a long and bloody civil war to do that.
All things are easy for an all powerful god.

Regards
DL

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Re: Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:39 am

iskander wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:02 am
He was chosen before the creation of the world
Certain themes in Judaism have been treated by Jewish authors and sages as pre-existent in the sense that they were created in the sixth day of Genesis. Among them they mentioned the Torah, Repentance, the Garden of Eden and Gehenna, God’s Throne of Glory, the Fathers, Israel, the Temple and the Messiah.

The Messiah first appears as pre-existent in the First Book of Enoch which was originally written in Hebrew or Aramaic about 150 B.C.E From that period on, the concept of the Messiah who was created in the six days of creation, or even prior to them or who was born at variously stated subsequent dates and was then hidden to await his time, became a standard feature of jewish messianic eschatology.


The concept of the pre-existence of the Messiah accords with the general Talmudic view which holds that “The Holy One, blessed be He, prepares the remedy before the wound” ( B.Meg. 13b) .
The names by which the Messiah is called are revealing. In the first book of Enoch he is called, first of all, “Head of Days”, an epithet alluding to his pre-existence. In the same source he is also called “Son of Man, an old biblical appellation heavy with theosophical symbolism...


In any case this multiplicity of names indicates one thing very clearly: The image of the Messiah was very much in the forefront of rabbinical- and undoubtedly also popular- thought from the second century BCE on.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78&p=3214&hilit=patai#p3214
I agree, but not the type of messiah that Jesus was. That is why the Jews rejected Jesus as messiah.

Their better view was ignored by the usurping Christians who wanted the Jewish god but not his policies.

Stupid Christians went the wrong way.

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DL

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Re: Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:40 am

iskander wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:06 am
What is your judgement?
Guilty as charged
Perfect.

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Re: Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:40 am

iskander wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:10 am
Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?
Gnostics are right .
I agree.

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Re: Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?

Post by iskander » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:35 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:39 am
iskander wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:02 am
He was chosen before the creation of the world
Certain themes in Judaism have been treated by Jewish authors and sages as pre-existent in the sense that they were created in the sixth day of Genesis. Among them they mentioned the Torah, Repentance, the Garden of Eden and Gehenna, God’s Throne of Glory, the Fathers, Israel, the Temple and the Messiah.

The Messiah first appears as pre-existent in the First Book of Enoch which was originally written in Hebrew or Aramaic about 150 B.C.E From that period on, the concept of the Messiah who was created in the six days of creation, or even prior to them or who was born at variously stated subsequent dates and was then hidden to await his time, became a standard feature of jewish messianic eschatology.


The concept of the pre-existence of the Messiah accords with the general Talmudic view which holds that “The Holy One, blessed be He, prepares the remedy before the wound” ( B.Meg. 13b) .
The names by which the Messiah is called are revealing. In the first book of Enoch he is called, first of all, “Head of Days”, an epithet alluding to his pre-existence. In the same source he is also called “Son of Man, an old biblical appellation heavy with theosophical symbolism...


In any case this multiplicity of names indicates one thing very clearly: The image of the Messiah was very much in the forefront of rabbinical- and undoubtedly also popular- thought from the second century BCE on.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78&p=3214&hilit=patai#p3214
I agree, but not the type of messiah that Jesus was. That is why the Jews rejected Jesus as messiah.

Their better view was ignored by the usurping Christians who wanted the Jewish god but not his policies.

Stupid Christians went the wrong way.

Regards
DL
Why do you think the “usurping Christians wanted the Jewish God”?

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