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Great March of Return’ protest held at Israel-Gaza border

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:08 am
by arnoldo

What I saw in the West Bank

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:01 pm
by arnoldo

Re: Great March of Return’ protest held at Israel-Gaza border

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:20 am
by bskeptic
Well see polling on Palestinian attitudes. It's not just a tiny minority that supports violence.

And no, there was never "Palestinian" land that was stolen by "evil" Israel. Palestine *never* existed as a state. Israel was created by the same process as other Middle Eastern nations under international law; the only difference being that the process got screwed up by Arab aggression.

It's just a complete lie that the West Bank is "occupied" by Israel. It may be controlled by the Israeli state of course and so occupied in that sense; but it's not occupied in the sense that it was Palestinian territory that was invaded by Israel. The Israeli position is that the territory is "disputed", and all you need to do is just check the history of sovereignty and Israel's position is obviously correct.

Re: Great March of Return’ protest held at Israel-Gaza border

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:35 am
by bskeptic
From a 2015 article:

"Two-thirds of Palestinians support the current wave of stabbings against Israelis, with the same percentage backing a larger armed uprising, according to a Palestinian poll released Monday."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-23-o ... -uprising/



I know with some people, however, it's pointless to try to explain this. This is how they will react: well if Palestinians are so violent, what has Israel done to upset them?

Re: Great March of Return’ protest held at Israel-Gaza border

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:46 am
by bskeptic
From a 2014 article:

Poll: 89 Percent of Palestinians Support Terror Attacks on Israel

http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... on-israel/

http://www.pcpo.org/index.php/polls/114-poll-no-191


Nearly 89 percent of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets from the Gaza Strip at Israeli civilians, according to a new poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion (PCPO)....

Re: Great March of Return’ protest held at Israel-Gaza border

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:55 am
by bskeptic
From a 2011 article:

https://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Pol ... rvey-finds

"Sixty-six percent said the Palestinians’ real goal should be to start with a two-state solution but then move to it all being one Palestinian state."

"Seventy-two percent backed denying the thousands of years of Jewish history in Jerusalem, 62% supported kidnapping IDF soldiers and holding them hostage, and 53% were in favor or teaching songs about hating Jews in Palestinian schools."

Re: Great March of Return’ protest held at Israel-Gaza border

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:12 am
by bskeptic
2020 article:

https://hamodia.com/2020/02/11/poll-pal ... terrorism/


Ninety-four percent of Palestinians reject President Donald Trump’s Mideast initiative, according to a poll released Tuesday, which also found plummeting support for a two-state solution with Israel and nearly two-thirds backing what was called “armed struggle.”...

Re: Great March of Return’ protest held at Israel-Gaza border

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:49 pm
by arnoldo
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Black Lives Matter

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:49 am
by JoeWallack
arnoldo wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:49 pm
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JW:
To their credit both sides of "The Palestinian Problem" have generally avoided/toned down their attempted merger/hijacking of the George Floyd issue. The Hard Left which likes to generally match Israel/Israel supporters with the villain of the issue and Jewish organizations that try to match historic Jewish victimhood with the current victim. Doing so dilutes support for the issue at hand. Recent Hard Left leaders like Farrakhan, Sarsour and Mallory who have tried and failed to do so are now largely irrelevant to America as a whole.

What's left are conspiracy theorists on both sides, Hard Left that say US police were taught this in Israel and Hard Right who say George Soros staged the whole thing. Oh, and of course Arnoldo. It's easier now to see them for what they are.


Joseph

Is Palestinian Terrorism Good For Israel?

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:46 pm
by nili
JoeWallack wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:49 am
To their credit both sides of "The Palestinian Problem" have generally avoided/toned down their attempted merger/hijacking of the George Floyd issue. The Hard Left which likes to generally match Israel/Israel supporters with the villain of the issue and Jewish organizations that try to match historic Jewish victimhood with the current victim. Doing so dilutes support for the issue at hand. Recent Hard Left leaders like Farrakhan, Sarsour and Mallory who have tried and failed to do so are now largely irrelevant to America as a whole.
What a pile of malignant rubbish. The idea that you're concerned about diluting a social justice issue is laughable.

The fact of the matter is that demanding that Israel get its foot off the neck of the Palestinians reinforces rather than dilutes the BLM movement. I suspect the families of both Iyad Halak and George Floyd would agree.