A gnostic sermon attempt

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theeternaliam
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Re: A gnostic sermon attempt

Post by theeternaliam » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:34 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:54 am
theeternaliam wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:49 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:28 am
theeternaliam wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:23 pm


Well, we had a karmic debt that because of the machinations of the archons we accumulated and would have been forced to go round n round in samsara to pay it off. We need help for this. Grace. That is the meaning and purpose of the substitutionary atonement. Only God could do it for all humanity. A free gift. Why refuse?
If you were God wouldn't you also give salvation and freedom and eternal joy n what not as a free gift? And suppose yer children were caught in a catch 22, would you help them?
Only a big fool will accept the unjust condemnation you have.

What sin earned you hell at the hands of the genocidal prick you idol worship?

Regards
DL

Also. All you have done is scoff and mock, slander and make accusations. You have not seriously considered my post or answered my questions above about what you would do if you were God and/or would you help yer hypothetical children caught in a catch 22?
Do not turn into the lying prick your god is. Nowhere have I done slander.

That and hypocrisy is a Christian forte.

Regards
DL
You have slandered me personally by saying my god is a lying genocidal prick. I'm not one to try to justify myself to people, especially on the internet, but you shall know them by their fruits.

But, I don't worship the God of this world as you assume.
And you know what they say about those who assume right?

But, whatever floats yer boat, man. If that's what makes ya feel better about yer self, I hope ya find a better way, cause I don't think it helps you and even if you were right I think yer evangelization techniques need a bit of a tune up.

Humility does wonders for yer peace of mind, instead of accusing others and trying to knock down their so called "idols" it would benefit you more to search your self and find out what false idols you may serve yer self and renounce them. It's not the self righteous "spiritual" dude who is Justified but the fellow who has sorrow for his own sins and cries out to God, "Lord, have mercy on me for MY sins"
Not, "At least I'm not like THAT guy who worships a genocidal prick"

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Re: A gnostic sermon attempt

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:44 am

theeternaliam wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:34 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:54 am
theeternaliam wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:49 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:28 am
theeternaliam wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:23 pm


Well, we had a karmic debt that because of the machinations of the archons we accumulated and would have been forced to go round n round in samsara to pay it off. We need help for this. Grace. That is the meaning and purpose of the substitutionary atonement. Only God could do it for all humanity. A free gift. Why refuse?
If you were God wouldn't you also give salvation and freedom and eternal joy n what not as a free gift? And suppose yer children were caught in a catch 22, would you help them?
Only a big fool will accept the unjust condemnation you have.

What sin earned you hell at the hands of the genocidal prick you idol worship?

Regards
DL

Also. All you have done is scoff and mock, slander and make accusations. You have not seriously considered my post or answered my questions above about what you would do if you were God and/or would you help yer hypothetical children caught in a catch 22?
Do not turn into the lying prick your god is. Nowhere have I done slander.

That and hypocrisy is a Christian forte.

Regards
DL
You have slandered me personally by saying my god is a lying genocidal prick. I'm not one to try to justify myself to people, especially on the internet, but you shall know them by their fruits.

But, I don't worship the God of this world as you assume.
And you know what they say about those who assume right?

But, whatever floats yer boat, man. If that's what makes ya feel better about yer self, I hope ya find a better way, cause I don't think it helps you and even if you were right I think yer evangelization techniques need a bit of a tune up.

Humility does wonders for yer peace of mind, instead of accusing others and trying to knock down their so called "idols" it would benefit you more to search your self and find out what false idols you may serve yer self and renounce them. It's not the self righteous "spiritual" dude who is Justified but the fellow who has sorrow for his own sins and cries out to God, "Lord, have mercy on me for MY sins"
Not, "At least I'm not like THAT guy who worships a genocidal prick"
I did not slander you you pathetic piece of immoral human garbage.

Your god is a genocidal prick and you don't care that he kills when he could just as easily cure, the way Jesus said he did.

Scriptures are also full of your prick's lies.

Don't bother looking that up of course.

Keep your delusion pristine by ignoring scriptures.

As I said, hypocrisy is a Christian forte.

Regards
DL

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Re: A gnostic sermon attempt

Post by theeternaliam » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:52 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:44 am
theeternaliam wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:34 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:54 am
theeternaliam wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:49 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:28 am


Only a big fool will accept the unjust condemnation you have.

What sin earned you hell at the hands of the genocidal prick you idol worship?

Regards
DL

Also. All you have done is scoff and mock, slander and make accusations. You have not seriously considered my post or answered my questions above about what you would do if you were God and/or would you help yer hypothetical children caught in a catch 22?
Do not turn into the lying prick your god is. Nowhere have I done slander.

That and hypocrisy is a Christian forte.

Regards
DL
You have slandered me personally by saying my god is a lying genocidal prick. I'm not one to try to justify myself to people, especially on the internet, but you shall know them by their fruits.

But, I don't worship the God of this world as you assume.
And you know what they say about those who assume right?

But, whatever floats yer boat, man. If that's what makes ya feel better about yer self, I hope ya find a better way, cause I don't think it helps you and even if you were right I think yer evangelization techniques need a bit of a tune up.

Humility does wonders for yer peace of mind, instead of accusing others and trying to knock down their so called "idols" it would benefit you more to search your self and find out what false idols you may serve yer self and renounce them. It's not the self righteous "spiritual" dude who is Justified but the fellow who has sorrow for his own sins and cries out to God, "Lord, have mercy on me for MY sins"
Not, "At least I'm not like THAT guy who worships a genocidal prick"
I did not slander you you pathetic piece of immoral human garbage.

Your god is a genocidal prick and you don't care that he kills when he could just as easily cure, the way Jesus said he did.

Scriptures are also full of your prick's lies.

Don't bother looking that up of course.

Keep your delusion pristine by ignoring scriptures.

As I said, hypocrisy is a Christian forte.

Regards
DL
When I first "saw the light" of gnosis I might have done a lot of what you are doing, demonizing mainstream christiamity and trying to poke holes in arguments and tear down idols. When I was an atheist, I even more so hated religion and ridiculed the "stupid people " who could believe something so stupid.

And I'm sure I do that still, and my interactions with you might be my god letting me know what I do wrong and why I shouldn't do it, and to try to have a little mercy on those who might not be as "enlightened" as myself.

Anywho, Lord have mercy on you, too. In Jesus name, amen
Take 'er easy pal, and lighten up a lil bit, will ya? If yer not just joking and really have that much animosity towards other people different than yer self, well, can't be good for your blood pressure at least

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Re: A gnostic sermon attempt

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:59 am

theeternaliam wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:52 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:44 am
theeternaliam wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:34 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:54 am
theeternaliam wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:49 pm



Also. All you have done is scoff and mock, slander and make accusations. You have not seriously considered my post or answered my questions above about what you would do if you were God and/or would you help yer hypothetical children caught in a catch 22?
Do not turn into the lying prick your god is. Nowhere have I done slander.

That and hypocrisy is a Christian forte.

Regards
DL
You have slandered me personally by saying my god is a lying genocidal prick. I'm not one to try to justify myself to people, especially on the internet, but you shall know them by their fruits.

But, I don't worship the God of this world as you assume.
And you know what they say about those who assume right?

But, whatever floats yer boat, man. If that's what makes ya feel better about yer self, I hope ya find a better way, cause I don't think it helps you and even if you were right I think yer evangelization techniques need a bit of a tune up.

Humility does wonders for yer peace of mind, instead of accusing others and trying to knock down their so called "idols" it would benefit you more to search your self and find out what false idols you may serve yer self and renounce them. It's not the self righteous "spiritual" dude who is Justified but the fellow who has sorrow for his own sins and cries out to God, "Lord, have mercy on me for MY sins"
Not, "At least I'm not like THAT guy who worships a genocidal prick"
I did not slander you you pathetic piece of immoral human garbage.

Your god is a genocidal prick and you don't care that he kills when he could just as easily cure, the way Jesus said he did.

Scriptures are also full of your prick's lies.

Don't bother looking that up of course.

Keep your delusion pristine by ignoring scriptures.

As I said, hypocrisy is a Christian forte.

Regards
DL
When I first "saw the light" of gnosis I might have done a lot of what you are doing, demonizing mainstream christiamity and trying to poke holes in arguments and tear down idols. When I was an atheist, I even more so hated religion and ridiculed the "stupid people " who could believe something so stupid.

And I'm sure I do that still, and my interactions with you might be my god letting me know what I do wrong and why I shouldn't do it, and to try to have a little mercy on those who might not be as "enlightened" as myself.

Anywho, Lord have mercy on you, too. In Jesus name, amen
Take 'er easy pal, and lighten up a lil bit, will ya? If yer not just joking and really have that much animosity towards other people different than yer self, well, can't be good for your blood pressure at least
Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk

Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.

You worry about your own blood pressure and remain self-centered al you like.

I see gnostic Christians as having better morals than most, but you do not seem to be quite there yet.

Perhaps this will show what motivates me and what you do not seem to have graduated to yet.

If you think you should live by the Golden Rule, change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

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DL

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Re: A gnostic sermon attempt

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:22 am

Dumb is as dumb posts.

Belief in the supernatural is for the dumb.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental trash that modern preachers, you and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

Further.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02cia ... =PLCBF574D

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Re: A gnostic sermon attempt

Post by bbyrd009 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:18 pm

if you really wanted to encourage gnosticism GB, you would best declare as a Christian imo :)
nice op, ty
"No Son of Man may die for another's sins..." Ezekiel 18:20

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Re: A gnostic sermon attempt

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:40 am

bbyrd009 wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:18 pm
if you really wanted to encourage gnosticism GB, you would best declare as a Christian imo :)
nice op, ty
I do not join satanic thinkers.

Tell us, bright boy, who is more likely to use genocide and infanticide? Satan or Yahweh?

Let's see if you are a moral coward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcRXeCzpno

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Re: A gnostic sermon attempt

Post by bbyrd009 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:12 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:40 am
bbyrd009 wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:18 pm
if you really wanted to encourage gnosticism GB, you would best declare as a Christian imo :)
nice op, ty
I do not join satanic thinkers.

Tell us, bright boy, who is more likely to use genocide and infanticide? Satan or Yahweh?

Let's see if you are a moral coward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcRXeCzpno

Regards
DL
i would say "ppl," gb
"No Son of Man may die for another's sins..." Ezekiel 18:20

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Re: A gnostic sermon attempt

Post by Geocalyx » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:06 pm

My what fancy word mazes you people built here, off all places! I am impressed. 3 pages of nothing? Amazing!

You sound about as credible discussing gnosis as Muslim scholars are when debating, I dunno, Acts of the Apostles or whatever, though. I betcha none of you guys ever studied the Tripartite Tractate, even.

Didn't you know that there are fishermen who will envelop their hooks in tasty looking food, then grab hold of you? Knowing Authorative Teaching should've warned you about these men. They will trap your soul.

Truly! Leave it to the bishops of all kinds to bring out the worst out of people and make it all about rules and regulations and definitions and business

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Re: A gnostic sermon attempt

Post by Geocalyx » Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:09 pm

For instance, by 'nothing', I mean:
Gnostic have always named Yahweh a vile demiurge and I follow that moral practice.

What is your beef with that? Where they/we wrong?
No they haven't. Nowhere in the source texts do they flat out state that Iahwe is a vile demiurge.

Nobody ever mentions Iahwe. They describe Ialdabaoth. Not same. One is the god of the Jews. The other is state control, enforced by law all over the world. Actual law. Not Iahwe's temper tantrums. Actual. Law. As in, love this god or your head goes off, no matter who you are.

Then they never claim the demiurge is vile. He is ignorant. Ignorance is evil. Thinking there is nothing beyond your highest thought is extremely dangerous. Not wanting to know because not knowing is convenient leads to the greatest evil. Ialdabaoth constructs his own little world. His deeds are evil. But he himself is ignorant and simply knows no better. Why is this important to emphasize?

Because each and every one of us can be ignorant as in, not wanting to know (like, want me to show you a photo of a pile of skulls that covered the beaches of a tropical paradise island because a 21st century country doesn't want to live any less conveniently? No of course you do not and I don't blame you, I really don't), but that does not make us evil. It is in the deeds that true evil lies.

That's the part people usually don't get. It's not about mystery floating or third eyes or magical crystals or skywalking or being able to see the Matrix and shake hands with the Highest. Gnosis is about doing stuff that's important! Shake off the shackles of religion and be like Perfect Men; you've got power to make and break gods. When consorting, act with dignity and oh for chrissake just go read Sentences of Sextus for more on that. It's there for a reason.
The enemy of Sophia who Christ saves her from is named Self-will. It is the oppression of self-will that causes her sufferin.
Actually it's thinking Ialdabaoth is the highest light that triggers it initially. She falls for his trap. Instead of exercising humility and staying in her place, she follows a light into the abyss, but the light's actually Ialdabaoth ("of whom I had told you many times before"). She's brazen enough to think she got a glimpse of the highest, and that's where the torment begins. This is important because it's a poke against Christianty and one of the many, many ways Scrolls are written to be completely opposite to the Bible.

I don't care what 20th century exegetes claimed on this, because Self-will is clearly not the cause. It's the regulator. Chasing the Fake Ultimate Light is the cause of Sophia's suffering. Again, see Sentences of Sextus - take hold of your self-will. Practice fasting. Study. Work hard. Do whatever it needs to be done. Use your own mind, though! He will relieve you once you've done your penance.

... I really was gonna reply to the whole topic, bit now I feel kind of burned out. I might do it eventually.

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