Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

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Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:42 pm

Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

https://biblehub.com/matthew/20-28.htm
Even as the Son of man came not to be served, but to serve,

At the end of the day, there is no physical or real supernatural God for us to follow. If there were, then logic and reason say that if such a God wanted to be relevant to man, he would show up.

All there can be are rules and laws that we think a God would give. Men have written up many such sets of rules while lying about being inspired by God. That is basically the moral of the Moses story with his coming off the mountain, not with a God, but with rules and laws.

Man is not slaved to his laws and rules and changes them as better ones are found. We, in effect, are evolving God, defined as rules and laws, and making him better.

All people accept this except for those in religions who idol worship the older barbaric Gods, whose laws are inferior to secular law. That would include the Christian and Muslim demiurges.

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship. Faith is a way to quit using your, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the OT says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason on God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes their mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths. We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses. Their faith also plugs their ears.

Do you serve God and the laws and rules of life, or do you expect the laws, rules of life and God to serve you?

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Re: Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

Post by bbyrd009 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:17 pm

some great thoughts, "We, in effect, are evolving God, defined as rules and laws, and making him better" Christ hands the kingdom back to the Father after all rule, authority, and powers are overcome? So dunno how one can justify anything but Anarchy, as in like Anabaptist?
"No Son of Man may die for another's sins..." Ezekiel 18:20

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Re: Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:51 am

bbyrd009 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:17 pm
some great thoughts, "We, in effect, are evolving God, defined as rules and laws, and making him better" Christ hands the kingdom back to the Father after all rule, authority, and powers are overcome? So dunno how one can justify anything but Anarchy, as in like Anabaptist?
Scriptures show differently. The son becomes the Father after taking over the justice seat.

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Do logic and reason say that God is our servant

Post by BeJimmiesab » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:46 pm

Asalamalaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.
But if the Prophets are sinless and infallible, why shouldnt they be worthy of receiving Imamate. Is there anyone who is better than the one who is infallible?

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Re: Do logic and reason say that God is our servant

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:29 am

BeJimmiesab wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:46 pm
Asalamalaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.
But if the Prophets are sinless and infallible, why shouldnt they be worthy of receiving Imamate. Is there anyone who is better than the one who is infallible?
You are asking, --- who is better than a fictional god.

Answer. --- Everyone.

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Re: Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

Post by bbyrd009 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:24 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:51 am
bbyrd009 wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:17 pm
some great thoughts, "We, in effect, are evolving God, defined as rules and laws, and making him better" Christ hands the kingdom back to the Father after all rule, authority, and powers are overcome? So dunno how one can justify anything but Anarchy, as in like Anabaptist?
Scriptures show differently. The son becomes the Father after taking over the justice seat.

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DL
word.
No Son of Man may die for another's sins...
"No Son of Man may die for another's sins..." Ezekiel 18:20

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Re: Do logic and reason say that God is our servant

Post by bbyrd009 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:26 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:29 am
BeJimmiesab wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:46 pm
Asalamalaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.
But if the Prophets are sinless and infallible, why shouldnt they be worthy of receiving Imamate. Is there anyone who is better than the one who is infallible?
You are asking, --- who is better than a fictional god.

Answer. --- Everyone.

Regards
DL
the Abarim guy covers this, in a much more palatable way tho, in "What God is and what God is not," imo.
I said "you are elohim", though, so seems like the fictional God is maybe agreeing with you ha
"No Son of Man may die for another's sins..." Ezekiel 18:20

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