Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

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Re: Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:34 am

davidmartin wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:13 am
thanks dl,
i think gnosis is to give us paradise in our minds
It actually restores us to that state not casts us out of it
When you run Genesis backwards it makes sense
Our minds, as well as our bodies, because it shows us that we are living in the best of all possible worlds, given our history and entropy.

We can all imagine improvements, but our prior history cannot be changed and every point in time is a new starting point to what is, and that, to reality, is the best that things can possibly be.

That is not an easy concept to grasp. I have tried to explain it with the following but might have failed.

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I wrote this to refute the false notion that Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality that the inquisitors propagated to justify their many murders of my religions originators. It shows that Christians should actually hate matter and not Gnostic Christians.

The Christian reality.
1 John 2:15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Gen 3; 17 Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.
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The Gnostic Christian reality.
Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.
[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.

If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.

Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.

[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.

But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.

Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.

Regards
DL

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Re: Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

Post by bbyrd009 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:25 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:34 am
davidmartin wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:13 am
thanks dl,
i think gnosis is to give us paradise in our minds
It actually restores us to that state not casts us out of it
When you run Genesis backwards it makes sense
Our minds, as well as our bodies, because it shows us that we are living in the best of all possible worlds, given our history and entropy.

We can all imagine improvements, but our prior history cannot be changed and every point in time is a new starting point to what is, and that, to reality, is the best that things can possibly be.

That is not an easy concept to grasp. I have tried to explain it with the following but might have failed.

--------------

I wrote this to refute the false notion that Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality that the inquisitors propagated to justify their many murders of my religions originators. It shows that Christians should actually hate matter and not Gnostic Christians.

The Christian reality.
1 John 2:15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Gen 3; 17 Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.
-----------

The Gnostic Christian reality.
Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.
[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.

If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.

Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.

[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.

But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.

Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.

Regards
DL
nice imo.
"As you can see from that quote" of whom, may i ask, ty
and good tidings to you :)
"No Son of Man may die for another's sins..." Ezekiel 18:20

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Re: Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:19 pm

The Candide quote just shows how long we have known of the evolving perfection of reality.

Just to those with the whit or whatever it takes to recognize it. I do not mean that as an insult to any. Many are called but few are chosen is all I am saying.

I call it Gnosis.

I hope you do not want to kill the messenger because you cannot refute his message. That would be being a poor sport.

Regards,

DL

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