What sin has God condemned you for?
Why is God the only one who can forgive you?
It seems that just being born is enough to draw condemnation from God. Somehow, we are all born sinners. Whatever that sin is that we are born with, it must have been really bad to earn eternal punishment or death.
Scriptures themselves say that sin is not passed on so all babies have to pay for their own sins. They are condemned at birth. It could not be as Adam and Eve did because God said that they became as Gods. Exactly what the bible urges us to do. So that cannot be a sin.
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
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Is there Original sin?
The Jews have no such policy in their myth. In fact, they show Eden as man’s elevation and not his fall.
What sin were you guilty of when born and which of your evil finite sins deserves infinite punishment?
Regards
DL
What sin has God condemned you for?
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Re: What sin has God condemned you for?
What sin has God condemned you for?
Why is God the only one who can forgive you?
It seems that just being born is enough to draw condemnation from God. Somehow, we are all born sinners. Whatever that sin is that we are born with, it must have been really bad to earn eternal punishment or death.
Scriptures themselves say that sin is not passed on so all babies have to pay for their own sins. They are condemned at birth. It could not be as Adam and Eve did because God said that they became as Gods. Exactly what the bible urges us to do. So that cannot be a sin.
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
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Is there Original sin?
The Jews have no such policy in their myth. In fact, they show Eden as man’s elevation and not his fall.
What sin were you guilty of when born and which of your evil finite sins deserves infinite punishment?
Regards
DL
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We were created imperfect by a creation of Sophia, Yaldabaoth, Satan. With out the male element in our creation, female only we were defective needing to be salvaged, or saved. Jesus, the Christ came with the male element to make us perfect, complete in the Father, Mother image and likeness. Jesus the Christ purchased or paid for our release, or discharge from the law of sin and death; when He died for us and God raised Him from the dead.
The Secret Book Of John
Why is God the only one who can forgive you?
It seems that just being born is enough to draw condemnation from God. Somehow, we are all born sinners. Whatever that sin is that we are born with, it must have been really bad to earn eternal punishment or death.
Scriptures themselves say that sin is not passed on so all babies have to pay for their own sins. They are condemned at birth. It could not be as Adam and Eve did because God said that they became as Gods. Exactly what the bible urges us to do. So that cannot be a sin.
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
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Is there Original sin?
The Jews have no such policy in their myth. In fact, they show Eden as man’s elevation and not his fall.
What sin were you guilty of when born and which of your evil finite sins deserves infinite punishment?
Regards
DL
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We were created imperfect by a creation of Sophia, Yaldabaoth, Satan. With out the male element in our creation, female only we were defective needing to be salvaged, or saved. Jesus, the Christ came with the male element to make us perfect, complete in the Father, Mother image and likeness. Jesus the Christ purchased or paid for our release, or discharge from the law of sin and death; when He died for us and God raised Him from the dead.
The Secret Book Of John
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Re: What sin has God condemned you for?
That is not the modern Gnostic Christian view at all.
Gnostic Christians are Universalists just like their Jesus and God are so no one is ever condemned and we have no need to embrace barbaric human sacrifice masquerading as good justice.
You might want to check the immorality of what you spew. Your wealth of knowledge is good. Your morals suck.
How will you get yourself into heaven? On your own merit or via a scapegoat?
Revisit substitutionary atonement or vicarious redemption and scapegoating with me just to refresh your memory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNtBkOXItqw
I am not an atheist but Satan and Christians want atheists to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that we should profit from punishing the innocent instead of the guilty. Scapegoating IOW.
In reality, if God did demand such a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning as we all know that it is immoral to kill the innocent. God knows this yet Christians do not seem to. You do. Right?
Those with good morals will know that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a son just to prove it's benevolence. When you die, Satan will ask you; how was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?
If and when you say yes, you become his.
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The other option in scriptures, a moral one, is shown here. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Scriptures indicate that God prefers repentance to sacrifice and as God’s will is supreme and cannot be thwarted, this will come to pass.
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It is a special distorted Christian view of love that sees, --- as the greatest act of love possible, --- their God condemning them, and then turning and demanding his son’s deaths and thus corrupting God's perfect justice. A bribe set by God as judge himself for himself. This is of course ridiculous.
Christians have an insane view of love, IMO.
Would you express your love for humanity or those you love by having your own child needlessly murdered?
Or if convinced that a sacrifice was somehow good, would you have the moral fortitude to step up yourself to that cross instead of sending your child?
Your cowardly God did not.
Regards
DL
Gnostic Christians are Universalists just like their Jesus and God are so no one is ever condemned and we have no need to embrace barbaric human sacrifice masquerading as good justice.
You might want to check the immorality of what you spew. Your wealth of knowledge is good. Your morals suck.
How will you get yourself into heaven? On your own merit or via a scapegoat?
Revisit substitutionary atonement or vicarious redemption and scapegoating with me just to refresh your memory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNtBkOXItqw
I am not an atheist but Satan and Christians want atheists to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that we should profit from punishing the innocent instead of the guilty. Scapegoating IOW.
In reality, if God did demand such a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning as we all know that it is immoral to kill the innocent. God knows this yet Christians do not seem to. You do. Right?
Those with good morals will know that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a son just to prove it's benevolence. When you die, Satan will ask you; how was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?
If and when you say yes, you become his.
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The other option in scriptures, a moral one, is shown here. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Scriptures indicate that God prefers repentance to sacrifice and as God’s will is supreme and cannot be thwarted, this will come to pass.
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It is a special distorted Christian view of love that sees, --- as the greatest act of love possible, --- their God condemning them, and then turning and demanding his son’s deaths and thus corrupting God's perfect justice. A bribe set by God as judge himself for himself. This is of course ridiculous.
Christians have an insane view of love, IMO.
Would you express your love for humanity or those you love by having your own child needlessly murdered?
Or if convinced that a sacrifice was somehow good, would you have the moral fortitude to step up yourself to that cross instead of sending your child?
Your cowardly God did not.
Regards
DL
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Re: What sin has God condemned you for?
The God of Jesus, Yeshua is the God of the Law of the Spirit of Life. The law of the Spirit of Life has redeemed me from all condemnation. People are not judged for sin, John 15 but because they do not believe what Jesus told them about the law. Jesus, Yeshua is life and through faith you are made righteous and born again to the divine nature of Life. Jesus is the way the truth and the Life. Jesus is YHVH, He is Lord. There is no more sacrifice for sin, it is an insult to the Spirit of Grace. Jesus put an end to the lie of sacrifice. They search the scriptures thinking they will find life but they do not. the life is in the God of Jesus, the power he showed when He raised Jesus from the dead, by the Spirit of Life. John 5:39
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Re: What sin has God condemned you for?
They watched to see if He would Heal on the Sabbath and others they judged who violated the six inch rule for this they ignored the truth put forth.
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Re: What sin has God condemned you for?
Manners call for the 6 inch rule.
Regards
DL
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DL