Care to compare the Jesus you know to the one I know?

[Gnostic Bishop]

Care to compare the Jesus you know to the one I know?

I have been asked to do an O P showing my beliefs and have written a nutshell view to fill that request.

I was a skeptic till the age of 39. I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself an esoteric ecumenist and Gnostic Christian. Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote from William Blake and that makes me as hated by Christians today as the ancient Gnostics that Constantine had the Christians kill when he bought the Catholic Church.

“Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white.”

This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of the O. T. God where literal Christians will see God’s killing as good. Christians are sheep where Gnostic Christians are goats.

This is perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.

During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.

I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way with apotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than they for the cosmic consciousness or what I call; the Godhead.

The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. It does not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.

I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think that most Christians have exaggerated tribal mentalities and poor morals as they have developed a double standard to be able to stomach their God.

I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.

I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to ignore whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship it but instead, raise my bar of excellence and seek further.

My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.

Since then, I have tried to collect information that would help any that believe that apotheosis is possible, generally not Christians, --- as they do not believe in the mythical esoteric Jesus that I believe in and churches do not dare teach it.

This first clip gives the theological and philosophical interpretation of what Jesus taught and the second clip show what I think is a close representation of the method that helped me push my apotheosis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesf ... r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

Basically, the usual Christian Jesus is their hero and savior while my version demand that man himself steps up to the plate and save himself.

Which version do you think is more moral and deserving of praise and why?

Regards
DL

[ghost]

Care to compare the Jesus you know to the one I know?

When I say Jesus was Caesar I specifically mean Julius Caesar. I learned this from Carotta. If you have the time and the inclination, please browse Carotta's website and say what you think about his ideas.

http://www.carotta.de

Speaking of apotheosis, Caesar was deified alive (they erected statues in his honor after his civil war against Pompey) and then after that also officially in 42 BC as Divus Iulius.

[Gnostic Bishop]

Care to compare the Jesus you know to the one I know?

When I say Jesus was Caesar I specifically mean Julius Caesar. I learned this from Carotta. If you have the time and the inclination, please browse Carotta's website and say what you think about his ideas.

http://www.carotta.de

Speaking of apotheosis, Caesar was deified alive (they erected statues in his honor after his civil war against Pompey) and then after that also officially in 42 BC as Divus Iulius.

I hear you and have no problem recognizing that in ancient days, men and Emperors named themselves God and their sons, sons of God.

With all the lies that we have ben fed over time, I just don't think we will ever know which Emperor did what to the Christian belief system.

Here is another possible political lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJgvws0ZYUE

There was definitely politics involved in creating the Roman ass kissing Jesus thanks to the fact that Rome hated any freedom loving prophet or Rabbi. That Jesus had to go and Rome created a Roman stooge to fill the job. Conformity was the requirement to fill, not freedom seeking.

As I said though, with all the lies over history, we will likely never know the truth. And really, is it important, After all, Jesus is just one of our heroes of 1,000 faces and the Roman Jesus we mostly all know has poor morals indeed and will be rejected by any of decent morals.

Regards
DL

[ghost]

Here is another possible political lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJgvws0ZYUE

I see they literally use the word "conspiracy". In Carotta's idea the only conspiracy is the conspiracy to assassinate Caesar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassina ... nspirators

[Gnostic Bishop]

Here is another possible political lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJgvws0ZYUE

I see they literally use the word "conspiracy". In Carotta's idea the only conspiracy is the conspiracy to assassinate Caesar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassina ... nspirators

Conspiracy has acquired a following of late and the word may be overworked.

The bottom line is that we would be foolish to think that a government would not control smaller social control organizations within it's borders. They do not like competition for the minds and $$$ of the people.

Regards
DL

[ghost]

Conspiracy has acquired a following of late and the word may be overworked.

The bottom line is that we would be foolish to think that a government would not control smaller social control organizations within it's borders. They do not like competition for the minds and $$$ of the people.

There was social control back then too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_censor

[Gnostic Bishop]

Conspiracy has acquired a following of late and the word may be overworked.

The bottom line is that we would be foolish to think that a government would not control smaller social control organizations within it's borders. They do not like competition for the minds and $$$ of the people.

There was social control back then too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_censor

Exactly my point and why Rome controlled religions.

Regards
DL