Peter Kirby wrote:The question refers to the "I," consciousness, or what some call spirit or soul.
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Which = mythology.
I would say once the power is shut off to the brain, it is exactly like pulling the power cord from your PC. Shows over.
Peter Kirby wrote:The question refers to the "I," consciousness, or what some call spirit or soul.
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Straw manJohn T wrote: "Just because the flame no longer shines does not mean the previous light from that flame died with it."
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Did someone call me out?Sheshbazzar wrote:Interesting. I have noted that John T seems to be unaware of, and does respond to the posts I have made, pointing out the glaring errors in his 'logic'.John T wrote:
If spin, ad hominem attacks and lies don't make the source of truth go away, they will stick their fingers in their ears, i.e. hit the "ignore button" and turn their back on the source.
John T
I am inclined therefore to think that 'ol John T here, not wanting to read, hear, or know the truth, has himself blinded himself, and has his own fingers firmly stuck in his ears.
So here I'll hail him yet again. Yo, John T are you reading this?
If you are reading this John, I have other posts directed to you that I have been patiently waiting to hear your response to.
I have no one on ignore. I want to know what every person has to say, no matter how ignorant, stupid, or offensive it might be. Whatever, what ever it is they may write or reply, is a reflection upon themselves. Nothing better than when an adversary manages to hoist themselves by their own petard.
Read thread 'Mythicists: Promoting religious agendas?'John T wrote:Did someone call me out?Sheshbazzar wrote:Interesting. I have noted that John T seems to be unaware of, and does not respond to the posts I have made, pointing out the glaring errors in his 'logic'.John T wrote:
If spin, ad hominem attacks and lies don't make the source of truth go away, they will stick their fingers in their ears, i.e. hit the "ignore button" and turn their back on the source.
John T
I am inclined therefore to think that 'ol John T here, not wanting to read, hear, or know the truth, has himself blinded himself, and has his own fingers firmly stuck in his ears.
So here I'll hail him yet again. Yo, John T are you reading this?
If you are reading this John, I have other posts directed to you that I have been patiently waiting to hear your response to.
I have no one on ignore. I want to know what every person has to say, no matter how ignorant, stupid, or offensive it might be. Whatever, what ever it is they may write or reply, is a reflection upon themselves. Nothing better than when an adversary manages to hoist themselves by their own petard.
What seems to be your gripe?
JT
and subsequent posts. Acknowledge reading, comprehension, and do reply there.Sheshbazzar wrote:Are you really so deficient in the understanding of simple logic that you do not even realize what is wrong with this imaginary scenario of yours?John T wrote:
I'm trying to force the mythicists to think logically for themselves.
So, I will ask it again in a slightly different way:
Do you really think someone like Carrier [atheist/mythicist] would admit that Jesus was real even if a grave was dug up in the Qumran cemetery that had a head stone or scroll that said the body unearthed was one of Jesus 12 disciples (or family member of Jesus) and then the DNA from the body and radio carbon dating of the scroll agreed the unearthed evidence was from the 1st century A.D.?
Finding the grave of some 1st century 'disciple' of 'Jesus', or yet another christian religion produced scroll (or a hundred more such) would do nothing towards proving whether there actually was once any flesh and blood 'Jesus' behind the Christian mythology claiming that he was the one and only god almighty and the creator of heaven and earth.
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and subsequent posts. Acknowledge reading, comprehension, and do reply there.Sheshbazzar wrote:Are you really so deficient in the understanding of simple logic that you do not even realize what is wrong with this imaginary scenario of yours?John T wrote:
I'm trying to force the mythicists to think logically for themselves.
So, I will ask it again in a slightly different way:
Do you really think someone like Carrier [atheist/mythicist] would admit that Jesus was real even if a grave was dug up in the Qumran cemetery that had a head stone or scroll that said the body unearthed was one of Jesus 12 disciples (or family member of Jesus) and then the DNA from the body and radio carbon dating of the scroll agreed the unearthed evidence was from the 1st century A.D.?
Finding the grave of some 1st century 'disciple' of 'Jesus', or yet another christian religion produced scroll (or a hundred more such) would do nothing towards proving whether there actually was once any flesh and blood 'Jesus' behind the Christian mythology claiming that he was the one and only god almighty and the creator of heaven and earth.
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******************************************************John T wrote:Read thread 'Mythicists: Promoting religious agendas?'and subsequent posts. Acknowledge reading, comprehension, and do reply there.Sheshbazzar wrote:Are you really so deficient in the understanding of simple logic that you do not even realize what is wrong with this imaginary scenario of yours?John T wrote:
I'm trying to force the mythicists to think logically for themselves.
So, I will ask it again in a slightly different way:
Do you really think someone like Carrier [atheist/mythicist] would admit that Jesus was real even if a grave was dug up in the Qumran cemetery that had a head stone or scroll that said the body unearthed was one of Jesus 12 disciples (or family member of Jesus) and then the DNA from the body and radio carbon dating of the scroll agreed the unearthed evidence was from the 1st century A.D.?
Finding the grave of some 1st century 'disciple' of 'Jesus', or yet another christian religion produced scroll (or a hundred more such) would do nothing towards proving whether there actually was once any flesh and blood 'Jesus' behind the Christian mythology claiming that he was the one and only god almighty and the creator of heaven and earth.
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Urp. I'm not buying it.Yes. I read your post before and did not reply to it for obvious reasons, that is; you changed the meaning of the question into something not intended.
However, just in case my wording was not clear (happens a lot); I was questioning what evidence would be accepted for a human (flesh and blood) Jesus?
I was not talking about what evidence you would need to prove Jesus was "the one and only god almighty and the creator of heaven and earth".
Two very different topics.
Got it now?
Sincerely,
John T
Are you really so deficient in the understanding of simple logic that you do not even realize what is wrong with this imaginary scenario of yours?John T wrote:
I'm trying to force the mythicists to think logically for themselves.
So, I will ask it again in a slightly different way:
Do you really think someone like Carrier [atheist/mythicist] would admit that Jesus was real even if a grave was dug up in the Qumran cemetery that had a head stone or scroll that said the body unearthed was one of Jesus 12 disciples (or family member of Jesus) and then the DNA from the body and radio carbon dating of the scroll agreed the unearthed evidence was from the 1st century A.D.?
My reply;John T wrote:Thanks for you input Sheshbazzar.
Obviously you feel strongly about your opinion.
However, the O.P. was, "Where do we go when we die?"
Might I suggest that you give up hijacking this thread and instead; start your own O.P. and go over your objections for allowing physical evidence to confirm that Jesus was real?
It may be noted by anyone that to avoid any derail, I very clearly REQUESTED that you make your replies within the appropriate thread.Sheshbazzar wrote: Acknowledge reading, comprehension, and DO REPLY THERE.
And THEN and there it did become pertinent to this thread, and to the thrust of your arguments being made here, in that I was one very much aware of YOU yourself acting in exactly that same manner whenever it suits you.John T wrote: ad hominem attacks and lies don't make the source of truth go away, they will stick their fingers in their ears, i.e. hit the "ignore button" and turn their back on the source.
*************************************Sheshbazzar wrote:My reply;John T wrote:Thanks for you input Sheshbazzar.
Obviously you feel strongly about your opinion.
However, the O.P. was, "Where do we go when we die?"
Might I suggest that you give up hijacking this thread and instead; start your own O.P. and go over your objections for allowing physical evidence to confirm that Jesus was real?
It may be noted by anyone that to avoid any derail, I very clearly REQUESTED that you make your replies within the appropriate thread.Sheshbazzar wrote: Acknowledge reading, comprehension, and DO REPLY THERE.
It is only continued here because of YOUR failure to take up, and to honestly address the matter of your faulty application of logic in the appropriate thread.
It only became a matter pertinent to the subject of this thread when YOU posted;And THEN and there it did become pertinent to this thread, and to the thrust of your arguments being made here, in that I was one very much aware of YOU yourself acting in exactly that same manner whenever it suits you.John T wrote: ad hominem attacks and lies don't make the source of truth go away, they will stick their fingers in their ears, i.e. hit the "ignore button" and turn their back on the source.
To confront a snake in the grass one must seek out where that snake in the grass has wiggled off to. Thus you may do your posturing, wiggling, and hissing here in this place rather than there. Your choice.