If I recall correctly Carrier has no reasonably contemporary evidence whatsoever for his conclusion, depending on inferences from later and much later data.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:49 pm Carrier's comment on the procurator-prefect issue re Pilate in On the Historicity of Jesus, p. 345
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spin do you have a link that I can look up?
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I was working only on recollection having seen his argument some time back, but perhaps if you googled "carrier procurator prefect"....
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Oops my bad. I meant a link to the works of Josephus that tells it differently then the one I quoted.
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Sadly, not everything we want is online. I was using the Loeb edition of Josephus volume 12, which contains Jewish Antiquities books 18 and 19, Louis H. Feldman, (1965) 2000. This is a modern scholarly translation with the Greek text.
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ok thanks. However the case maybe eparchos and the Greek word for Prefect are 2 different Greek words and according to what you quoted in
(18.2.2) says Annius Rufus succeeded Ambivulus and his successor, Valerius Gratus, was an eparchos, a prefect,
it looks like Feldman is saying eparchos means Prefect.
If memory serves me correctly, I believe Josephus uses more then 1 Greek word when speaking about eparchos, but will have to double check and get back to you on it.
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Actually, Feldman translates eparchos wrongly as "procurator" (see link). I corrected in to "prefect" from the Greek.pneuma wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:31 pmok thanks. However the case maybe eparchos and the Greek word for Prefect are 2 different Greek words and according to what you quoted in
(18.2.2) says Annius Rufus succeeded Ambivulus and his successor, Valerius Gratus, was an eparchos, a prefect,
it looks like Feldman is saying eparchos means Prefect.
The Greek word understood to indicate a procurator is epitropos.
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Well if Feldman translated it the same why as in the quote I gave how is Feldmans translation any better then the one I gave?spin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:42 pmActually, Feldman translates eparchos wrongly as "procurator" (see link). I corrected in to "prefect" from the Greek.pneuma wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:31 pmok thanks. However the case maybe eparchos and the Greek word for Prefect are 2 different Greek words and according to what you quoted in
(18.2.2) says Annius Rufus succeeded Ambivulus and his successor, Valerius Gratus, was an eparchos, a prefect,
it looks like Feldman is saying eparchos means Prefect.
The Greek word understood to indicate a procurator is epitropos.
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Also if I am reading the link correctly eparchos should be translated commander.
Great link by the way. thanks, it is now on my favorites.
Great link by the way. thanks, it is now on my favorites.
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I think you need to look at the rest of the entry for eparchos, including "Lat. praefectus (in all senses)" and what follows!
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