Paul Without Acts

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Re: Paul Without Acts

Post by MrMacSon » Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:34 pm

Ben C. Smith wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:56 pm

Well, since we are talking about Greek epistles....

I doubt that Paul was writing to churches in France. He was writing to churches in Asia.
Yes, I agree. But I made the point b/c we're collectively ranging quite widely here: about the epistles being related to activities of Julius Caesar, about a bce Paul, about terminology changing with language; and I still have a bee in my bonnet about Irenaeus and Gaul (and I think Irenaeus wrote in Latin or his writings are preserved in Latin?

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Re: Paul Without Acts

Post by Jax » Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:54 pm

In book 15 chapter 7:3 of Antiquities of the Jews, Josephus has this to say "For he made him a present of those four hundred Galatians, who had been Cleopatra’s guards" http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... ection%3D3 . The Greek word he uses for Galatians is Γαλατῶν. Were these Galatians not a detachment left behind of the Legio III Gallica by Julius Caesar when he went north?

This Third Legion was also comprised of Gauls that went with Caesar to Egypt.

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Re: Paul Without Acts

Post by Jax » Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:55 pm

MrMacSon wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:34 pm
Ben C. Smith wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:56 pm

Well, since we are talking about Greek epistles....

I doubt that Paul was writing to churches in France. He was writing to churches in Asia.
Yes, I agree. But I made the point b/c we're collectively ranging quite widely here: about the epistles being related to activities of Julius Caesar, about a bce Paul, about terminology changing with language; and I still have a bee in my bonnet about Irenaeus and Gaul (and I think Irenaeus wrote in Latin or his writings are preserved in Latin?
Yeah. But fun though isn't it? :D

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Re: Paul Without Acts

Post by Ben C. Smith » Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:59 pm

MrMacSon wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:34 pm
Ben C. Smith wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:56 pm

Well, since we are talking about Greek epistles....

I doubt that Paul was writing to churches in France. He was writing to churches in Asia.
Yes, I agree. But I made the point b/c we're collectively ranging quite widely here: about the epistles being related to activities of Julius Caesar, about a bce Paul, about terminology changing with language; and I still have a bee in my bonnet about Irenaeus and Gaul (and I think Irenaeus wrote in Latin or his writings are preserved in Latin?
What is the bee in your bonnet about Irenaeus and Gaul? (And yes, his writings are preserved in Latin, but some of the original Greek has been preserved, both in patristic quotations and in actual manuscript fragments, including an amazingly early specimen from Egypt.)
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Re: Paul Without Acts

Post by MrMacSon » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:07 pm

Jax wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:55 pm
Yeah. But fun though isn't it? :D
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Re: Paul Without Acts

Post by MrMacSon » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:10 pm

Ben C. Smith wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:59 pm
What is the bee in your bonnet about Irenaeus and Gaul?
I can't believe Irenaeus was so involved in 'the early church' while essentially isolated so far west in Gaul, France. I tend to think he would have been in Galatia.

Ben C. Smith wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:59 pm
(And yes, his writings are preserved in Latin, but some of the original Greek has been preserved, both in patristic quotations and in actual manuscript fragments, including an amazingly early specimen from Egypt.)
Cheers. Do you think he would have written primarily in Greek? or in Latin?

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Re: Paul Without Acts

Post by Ben C. Smith » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:13 pm

MrMacSon wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:10 pm
Ben C. Smith wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:59 pm
What is the bee in your bonnet about Irenaeus and Gaul?
I can't believe Irenaeus was so involved in 'the early church' while essentially isolated so far west in Gaul, France. I tend to think he would have been in Galatia.
Too many Christians for you? ;)
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Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:59 pm
(And yes, his writings are preserved in Latin, but some of the original Greek has been preserved, both in patristic quotations and in actual manuscript fragments, including an amazingly early specimen from Egypt.)
Cheers. Do you think he would have written primarily in Greek? or in Latin?
If he came from the East as his letter to Florinus implies, then probably Greek.
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Re: Paul Without Acts

Post by Jax » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:18 pm

Jax wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:54 pm
In book 15 chapter 7:3 of Antiquities of the Jews, Josephus has this to say "For he made him a present of those four hundred Galatians, who had been Cleopatra’s guards" http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... ection%3D3 . The Greek word he uses for Galatians is Γαλατῶν. Were these Galatians not a detachment left behind of the Legio III Gallica by Julius Caesar when he went north?

This Third Legion was also comprised of Gauls that went with Caesar to Egypt.
Opps, my bad, i meant Legio VI Ferrata http://www.livius.org/articles/legion/legio-vi-ferrata/

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Re: Paul Without Acts

Post by DCHindley » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:50 pm

MrMacSon wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:20 pm
It's 7.20 am here ... :cheers:
Since you are 8 time zones farther west than I am, which us Eastern Time in the US (UT -5hr), are you from ... <gasp!> ... Australia?

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Re: Paul Without Acts

Post by MrMacSon » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:03 pm

DCHindley wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:50 pm
Since you are 8 time zones farther west than I am, which us Eastern Time in the US (UT -5hr), are you from ... <gasp!> ... Australia
Yes & No. I reside in Sydeny, but I’m not Australian :D

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