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sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by iskander » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:18 am

Could anyone confirm this?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 03161.html

A man in Saudi Arabia has reportedly been sentenced to death on charges of apostasy after losing two appeals.
Several local media reports identified the man as Ahmad Al Shamri, in his 20s, from the town of Hafar al-Batin, who first came to the authorities’ attention in 2014 after allegedly uploading videos to social media in which he renounced Islam and the Prophet Mohammed.
He was arrested on charges of atheism and blasphemy and held in prison before being convicted by a local court and sentenced to death in February 2015.

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Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by outhouse » Mon May 01, 2017 8:35 pm

iskander wrote:Could anyone confirm this?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 03161.html

A man in Saudi Arabia has reportedly been sentenced to death on charges of apostasy after losing two appeals.
Several local media reports identified the man as Ahmad Al Shamri, in his 20s, from the town of Hafar al-Batin, who first came to the authorities’ attention in 2014 after allegedly uploading videos to social media in which he renounced Islam and the Prophet Mohammed.
He was arrested on charges of atheism and blasphemy and held in prison before being convicted by a local court and sentenced to death in February 2015.

Its real.

It shows how barbaric and primitive the religion is. It requires more fanaticism then any Abrahamic tradition. The poor people have been brainwashed since birth and live primitive imagination with no hope for advancement.

They embarrass humanity daily.

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Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by iskander » Mon May 15, 2017 8:28 am

His defence lawyer entered a plea of insanity,
Ahmad was accused of uploading content to social media including videos renouncing Islam , Mohammed and his daughter Fatima who holds special significance within the Shia sect of Islam.
The defense entered an insanity plea as well as asserting that he was under the influence of intoxicants – drugs and alcohol at the time he uploaded the videos.


https://www.theexmuslim.com/2017/04/25/ ... h-atheism/

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Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by DCHindley » Wed May 17, 2017 2:35 pm

Weren't Christians killing folks just for holding the wrong opinions about how to worship God as recently as the 17th century, not to mention the entire medieval period? Puritans in Massachusetts colony burned Quakers at the stake. It doesn't take much to be labeled an "atheist" other than holding to beliefs that rub the "powers that be" the wrong way. Ask Joan of Arc.

Christians were called atheists by the Romans because they refused to placate the popular gods, even though many educated Romans were not certain they even existed. Why? Because they *might* exist, and we have to be superstitiously aware of anything we do that might anger them enough to bring calamity to mankind.

Christians, and Jews before them, were thought to have a "hatred for mankind" because they refused steadfastly to worship the local gods. How impious! We "Christians" (and I mean Europeans and their descendants in general, whether you believe in a God figure or not) look down upon Muslims in exactly the same way.

The problem is not that we ("Christians" and Muslims) continue to think this way, but that we do not respect each other's right to believe as we want. The key to getting along is to apply the rule of "reversibility." If it is not OK for you to be subjected to discrimination and persecution because you are not of the same faith as the majority, it is not OK to turn around and do that to others for exactly the same reasons.

Unfortunately, some lessons are never learned. :confusedsmiley:

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Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by andrewcriddle » Thu May 18, 2017 11:19 am

DCHindley wrote:Weren't Christians killing folks just for holding the wrong opinions about how to worship God as recently as the 17th century, not to mention the entire medieval period? Puritans in Massachusetts colony burned Quakers at the stake. It doesn't take much to be labeled an "atheist" other than holding to beliefs that rub the "powers that be" the wrong way. Ask Joan of Arc.
Some Quakers were hung in Massachusetts (for what we would call contempt of court). A few may have died from severe whipping and other ill treatment. I don't think any were burnt. (I know it morally makes little difference).

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Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by iskander » Tue May 23, 2017 4:36 am

iskander wrote:His defence lawyer entered a plea of insanity,
Ahmad was accused of uploading content to social media including videos renouncing Islam , Mohammed and his daughter Fatima who holds special significance within the Shia sect of Islam.
The defense entered an insanity plea as well as asserting that he was under the influence of intoxicants – drugs and alcohol at the time he uploaded the videos.


https://www.theexmuslim.com/2017/04/25/ ... h-atheism/
Do Muslims want to comment?

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Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by outhouse » Tue May 23, 2017 3:44 pm

iskander wrote:
iskander wrote:His defence lawyer entered a plea of insanity,
Ahmad was accused of uploading content to social media including videos renouncing Islam , Mohammed and his daughter Fatima who holds special significance within the Shia sect of Islam.
The defense entered an insanity plea as well as asserting that he was under the influence of intoxicants – drugs and alcohol at the time he uploaded the videos.


https://www.theexmuslim.com/2017/04/25/ ... h-atheism/
Do Muslims want to comment?

You will never get a filthy muslim to communicate honestly about islam, they are all brainwashed since birth to avoid any and all criticism. Meaning they are forced to refuse reality here.

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Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by neilgodfrey » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:01 pm

outhouse wrote:You will never get a filthy muslim to communicate honestly about islam, they are all brainwashed since birth to avoid any and all criticism. Meaning they are forced to refuse reality here.
Would this comment be tolerated by anyone here if outhouse used the word "jew" instead of "muslim"?

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Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by outhouse » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:21 pm

neilgodfrey wrote:
outhouse wrote:You will never get a filthy muslim to communicate honestly about islam, they are all brainwashed since birth to avoid any and all criticism. Meaning they are forced to refuse reality here.
Would this comment be tolerated by anyone here if outhouse used the word "jew" instead of "muslim"?

Most jews can discuss real history, muslims cannot.

Now orthodox jews are just as crappy as muslims, but not normal jews.

jews are not embarrassing humanity daily in the news

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Re: sentenced to death for atheism’

Post by spin » Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:48 pm

outhouse wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:21 pm
neilgodfrey wrote:
outhouse wrote:You will never get a filthy muslim to communicate honestly about islam, they are all brainwashed since birth to avoid any and all criticism. Meaning they are forced to refuse reality here.
Would this comment be tolerated by anyone here if outhouse used the word "jew" instead of "muslim"?

Most jews can discuss real history, muslims cannot.

Now orthodox jews are just as crappy as muslims, but not normal jews.

jews are not embarrassing humanity daily in the news
To understand this blithering nonsense, one needs to understand the cognitive biases evinced here. Putting aside outhouse's demonstrated inability to process "real history", let's evaluate what was said...
outhouse wrote:Most jews can discuss real history, muslims cannot.
outhouse makes a concession for Jews, "most Jews", a concession he is not prepared to make for Muslims. He goes on to explain that concession:
outhouse wrote:Now orthodox jews are just as crappy as muslims, but not normal jews.
From this statement one links "normal Jews" to the "most Jews" of the previous statement. "Orthodox Jews" are those excluded by "most Jews" and "normal Jews". The implication from these two statements is that Muslims as a whole, "normal" Muslims, are on a par with "orthodox Jews" and thus are all to be seen as of little worth. This is pure racism.
jews are not embarrassing humanity daily in the news
Beside the fact that the media participates in fostering the sort of vile opinions outhouse demonstrates here in the name of newsworthiness and through complicity in a cultural discourse that denigrates Muslims due to the actions of a minute proportion of people who espouse Islam, the media does not report facts such as the daily acts of repression against Muslims in Israel by some Israeli Jews, ranging from incarceration or personal injury to murder. There is no indication that this is done by "orthodox Jews". But it is just as wrong of me to waste time on Israeli racial crimes against Muslims. The vast majority of Jews get on with living as do most Muslims.

outhouse has chosen to make statements against all Muslims based on the actions of very few. He is an armchair racist, ignorant of the real world and happy to be manipulated by the television which makes money manipulating him. He doesn't stop to think of all those elected officials in our administrative structures. He shuts his eyes to Muslim innovators in western society in technology, Muslim business people, Muslims in the army, Muslims teaching in ordinary schools, Muslim scholars participating at the forefront of academia, Muslim shopkeepers, Muslims leading ordinary lives. outhouse lumps all Muslims together and brands them by the actions of less than 0.0001% of people who call themselves Muslims.

I find outhouse's comments offensive and should not be left unanswered. I can understand Neil Godfrey's reaction to his comments, but Neil's comment got removed to elsewhere, as I think outhouse's should have been. It is stupid nonsense that functionally attacks a group of people not for what they have done, but for who they are. Shameful.

The promotion of such pathetic views that lead to racial discrimination only prompts a small number of Muslims into radicalization. Vociferous racism is actually self-defeating, promoting what is to be discouraged by kneejerk reactionism.
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