An opinion regarding Islam

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Re: An opinion regarding Islam

Post by outhouse » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:58 pm


Casualties: 2,700,000 Chritians - (1915-1923) by Ottoman-Empire Muslim Turkey. 750,000 Assyrians, 500,000 Greeks and 1.5 million Armenians.[1]
Nature: 1.) Ethnic cleansing.[2] 2.) Islamic Jihad.[3]




Casualties: close to 27,000. In Israel between 1920-2012, at the hands of Arab/Muslims. 24,526 Israelis/Jews killed, 35,356 injured, and 1,967 Arab "Palestinians" killed by other Arab "Palestinians."[4]
Nature: roots and motivation: the genocide campaign[5][6][7][8] began (mainly) in the early 1920s by the supreme Islam leader, the pan-Arab Mufti, Haj Amin al-Husseini, motivated by both: ethnic racism and religious bigotry,[9] which is the root and the ungoing motivation for the violence.[10][11][12] In WW2, the Mufti worked with Adolf Hitler,[13][14] together with his henchman and spokesman Ahmad Shukairy,[15] the first PLO leader, who called in 1967 to 'throw the Jews into the sea.'[16][17][18]
There were numerous calls for anti-Israel jihad.[19][20][21]
Note: most Israeli casualties are innocent non-combatants. Most Arab "Palestinian" casualties are combatants and/or involved in violent attacks.[22] All the while, humane Israeli soldiers sacrifice their own lives in order to minimize Arab casualties.[23] Not to mention Arab-Islamic intentional routine in causing deaths on their side via human shields.[24] Same goes to Hezbollah tactics.[25] In fact: It stands out, the 'IDF's unparalleled record of sparing civilians in counter-terrorism operations.'[26]




Casualties: 3,500,000 - Sudan - from 1953 to 2005.[27] Including 2,500,000 between 1983-2005.[28][29]
Nature: Arab Islamic "supremacy" over "inferior" Southerners. [30][31] Jihad declared in 1983 by Numeiri,[32] and 1991 by al-Bashir.[33]




Casualties: over 100,000[34] in Papua New Guinea, since 1963, by Muslim Indonesian: government and Jihadists.
Nature: Apartheid / ethnic cleansing[35] and jihad.[36][37]




Casualties: 3,000,000 - Nigeria, by Muslim [Hausa] dominated forces against the Ibo / Christians [1966-1970].[38][39]




Casualties: 2,000-25,000 between Jordanians and "Palestinians" 1970-71 (Black September).[40]




Casualties: 300,000 - Lebanon 1970s-2000 by Syria and 'Palestinians'.[41]
Nature: Muslims against Christians.[42]




Casualties: 3,000,000 - Bangladesh, 1971 (by Pakistan).[43]
Nature: Islamic Pakistanis' contempt for "impure" Bengalis.[44]




Casualties: 300,000[45] - Uganda (1971-1979 under fanatical-Islamic[46] Idi Amin). Or 500,000.[47]




Casualties: 200,000 - East timor (Between 1975 and mid-1999) by (Islamic) Indonesia.[48]
Nature: oppression and jihad.[49][50]




Casualties: Over 300,000 - Iraq (1979-2003) under (Quran-ic[51]) Saddam Hussein.[52] Or as many as 500,000.[53]
Nature: dictatorship;[54] anti-Kurdish Arab-racism;[55] and Sunni Vs. Shiite "religious intolerance."[56]
Note: Baathist racist Arab tyrants like Saddam Hussein, carried out masssacres in the name of Islam,[57] and used highly, the 'anti-infidel' ideology.[58]




Casualties: 80,000[59] - Iran 1979 radical fascist[60][61] 'Islamic Revolution.'





Casualties: Between 500,000 and 1,500,000 - Iran-Iraq war (1980-1988).[62]
Nature: 1.) Sunni-Shiite intolerance.[63] 2.) Arab racism/supremacy against Persians by Baathist Iraq.[64] 3.) Persian racism against Arabs.[65]




Casualties: 40,000 - Syria (1982, Hama by H. al-Assad).[66]




Casualties: 10,000 - [Islamic Republic of] Iran (1988, massacre of political prisnoers).[67] Or 14,000.[68] Or 30,000.[69][70]
Nature: 'for being "infidels"'[71]




Casualties: Over 100,000 - Algeria (between 1992 and 2002).[72] Or even 200,000.[73]
Nature: Islamists Vs. government.[74]




Casualties: Over 160,000,[75] or at leaset over 151,000.[76] in Iraq, since 2003.
Factors:
1) Intra-Islamic bigotry: Sunni-Shiite divide.[77][78][79]
2) Al-Qaeda[80][81][82]
3) Baathists.[83][84]
4) Iran and its Hezbollah thugs.[85][86][87][88][89]
Note: The bloodshed continues after US withdrawal.[90][91]




Casualties: Over 15,000 - Syria 2011-2012[92] or at least over 13,000[93] by Syrian forces with Iranian[94][95][96] and Hezbollah active participation[97][98][99]
Nature: Alawite Islamic apartheid.[100] It also serves as a "Battleground Between Sunnis and Shiites."[101]

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Re: An opinion regarding Islam

Post by neilgodfrey » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:48 pm

outhouse wrote:
Casualties: 2,700,000 Chritians - (1915-1923) by Ottoman-Empire Muslim Turkey. 750,000 Assyrians, 500,000 Greeks and 1.5 million Armenians.[1]
Nature: 1.) Ethnic cleansing.[2] 2.) Islamic Jihad.[3]




Casualties: close to 27,000. In Israel between 1920-2012, at the hands of Arab/Muslims. 24,526 Israelis/Jews killed, 35,356 injured, and 1,967 Arab "Palestinians" killed by other Arab "Palestinians."[4]
Nature: roots and motivation: the genocide campaign[5][6][7][8] began (mainly) in the early 1920s by the supreme Islam leader, the pan-Arab Mufti, Haj Amin al-Husseini, motivated by both: ethnic racism and religious bigotry,[9] which is the root and the ungoing motivation for the violence.[10][11][12] In WW2, the Mufti worked with Adolf Hitler,[13][14] together with his henchman and spokesman Ahmad Shukairy,[15] the first PLO leader, who called in 1967 to 'throw the Jews into the sea.'[16][17][18]
There were numerous calls for anti-Israel jihad.[19][20][21]
Note: most Israeli casualties are innocent non-combatants. Most Arab "Palestinian" casualties are combatants and/or involved in violent attacks.[22] All the while, humane Israeli soldiers sacrifice their own lives in order to minimize Arab casualties.[23] Not to mention Arab-Islamic intentional routine in causing deaths on their side via human shields.[24] Same goes to Hezbollah tactics.[25] In fact: It stands out, the 'IDF's unparalleled record of sparing civilians in counter-terrorism operations.'[26]




Casualties: 3,500,000 - Sudan - from 1953 to 2005.[27] Including 2,500,000 between 1983-2005.[28][29]
Nature: Arab Islamic "supremacy" over "inferior" Southerners. [30][31] Jihad declared in 1983 by Numeiri,[32] and 1991 by al-Bashir.[33]




Casualties: over 100,000[34] in Papua New Guinea, since 1963, by Muslim Indonesian: government and Jihadists.
Nature: Apartheid / ethnic cleansing[35] and jihad.[36][37]




Casualties: 3,000,000 - Nigeria, by Muslim [Hausa] dominated forces against the Ibo / Christians [1966-1970].[38][39]




Casualties: 2,000-25,000 between Jordanians and "Palestinians" 1970-71 (Black September).[40]




Casualties: 300,000 - Lebanon 1970s-2000 by Syria and 'Palestinians'.[41]
Nature: Muslims against Christians.[42]




Casualties: 3,000,000 - Bangladesh, 1971 (by Pakistan).[43]
Nature: Islamic Pakistanis' contempt for "impure" Bengalis.[44]




Casualties: 300,000[45] - Uganda (1971-1979 under fanatical-Islamic[46] Idi Amin). Or 500,000.[47]




Casualties: 200,000 - East timor (Between 1975 and mid-1999) by (Islamic) Indonesia.[48]
Nature: oppression and jihad.[49][50]




Casualties: Over 300,000 - Iraq (1979-2003) under (Quran-ic[51]) Saddam Hussein.[52] Or as many as 500,000.[53]
Nature: dictatorship;[54] anti-Kurdish Arab-racism;[55] and Sunni Vs. Shiite "religious intolerance."[56]
Note: Baathist racist Arab tyrants like Saddam Hussein, carried out masssacres in the name of Islam,[57] and used highly, the 'anti-infidel' ideology.[58]




Casualties: 80,000[59] - Iran 1979 radical fascist[60][61] 'Islamic Revolution.'





Casualties: Between 500,000 and 1,500,000 - Iran-Iraq war (1980-1988).[62]
Nature: 1.) Sunni-Shiite intolerance.[63] 2.) Arab racism/supremacy against Persians by Baathist Iraq.[64] 3.) Persian racism against Arabs.[65]




Casualties: 40,000 - Syria (1982, Hama by H. al-Assad).[66]




Casualties: 10,000 - [Islamic Republic of] Iran (1988, massacre of political prisnoers).[67] Or 14,000.[68] Or 30,000.[69][70]
Nature: 'for being "infidels"'[71]




Casualties: Over 100,000 - Algeria (between 1992 and 2002).[72] Or even 200,000.[73]
Nature: Islamists Vs. government.[74]




Casualties: Over 160,000,[75] or at leaset over 151,000.[76] in Iraq, since 2003.
Factors:
1) Intra-Islamic bigotry: Sunni-Shiite divide.[77][78][79]
2) Al-Qaeda[80][81][82]
3) Baathists.[83][84]
4) Iran and its Hezbollah thugs.[85][86][87][88][89]
Note: The bloodshed continues after US withdrawal.[90][91]




Casualties: Over 15,000 - Syria 2011-2012[92] or at least over 13,000[93] by Syrian forces with Iranian[94][95][96] and Hezbollah active participation[97][98][99]
Nature: Alawite Islamic apartheid.[100] It also serves as a "Battleground Between Sunnis and Shiites."[101]
None of the above proves anything about Islam any more than a similar set of stats relating to Christian countries would tell us anything about Christianity.

I find it disturbing, frankly, that people just see the word Muslim attached to a country, see a war that country was involved in, and declare that the Muslim religion was to blame. That's not only faulty logic; it indicates to me a deep ignorance of the history of those countries and the wars and a bigoted view of Muslims.
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Re: An opinion regarding Islam

Post by neilgodfrey » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:53 pm

outhouse wrote: Casualties: close to 27,000. In Israel between 1920-2012, at the hands of Arab/Muslims. 24,526 Israelis/Jews killed, 35,356 injured, and 1,967 Arab "Palestinians" killed by other Arab "Palestinians."[4]
Nature: roots and motivation: the genocide campaign[5][6][7][8] began (mainly) in the early 1920s by the supreme Islam leader, the pan-Arab Mufti, Haj Amin al-Husseini, motivated by both: ethnic racism and religious bigotry,[9] which is the root and the ungoing motivation for the violence.[10][11][12] In WW2, the Mufti worked with Adolf Hitler,[13][14] together with his henchman and spokesman Ahmad Shukairy,[15] the first PLO leader, who called in 1967 to 'throw the Jews into the sea.'[16][17][18]
There were numerous calls for anti-Israel jihad.[19][20][21]
Note: most Israeli casualties are innocent non-combatants. Most Arab "Palestinian" casualties are combatants and/or involved in violent attacks.[22] All the while, humane Israeli soldiers sacrifice their own lives in order to minimize Arab casualties.[23] Not to mention Arab-Islamic intentional routine in causing deaths on their side via human shields.[24] Same goes to Hezbollah tactics.[25] In fact: It stands out, the 'IDF's unparalleled record of sparing civilians in counter-terrorism operations.'[26]
The above is a grossly distorted presentation of history, so distorted as to be nothing short of anti-Arab racism and anti-Muslim bigotry. If I presented such a one-sided and distorted view in reverse I would be rightly accused of blatant anti-semitism. I presume that the above details were sourced from some hate-site or racist extreme right-wing party site. They were certainly not taken from serious historical narratives, either Jewish or Palestinian.
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Re: useful information about Islamic manuscripts

Post by JPCusickSr » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:05 am

outhouse wrote: I would say [xxx] to say what "real" Christianity is ?
Since I am foremost a Christian then I see that as sufficient for me to judge Christianity.

And that certainly gives me more leverage then you have for judging the great religion of Islam.

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Re: An opinion regarding Islam

Post by outhouse » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:57 pm

neilgodfrey wrote:None of the above proves anything about Islam

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Just genocide BY islam in the last 100 years. to the tune of millions murdered over sectarian violence

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Re: useful information about Islamic manuscripts

Post by outhouse » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:02 pm

JPCusickSr wrote:
outhouse wrote: I would say [xxx] to say what "real" Christianity is ?
Since I am foremost a Christian then I see that as sufficient for me to judge Christianity.


being faithful to a religion means you now have bias to overcome in understanding your own religion, it odes not mean you have a credible opinion.

Ill let your opinion pan out before I judge.
And that certainly gives me more leverage then you have for judging the great religion of Islam.
You cannot refute that islam holds the highest amount of required fanaticism, out of any Abrahamic faith.

You did not refute anything I have directed at you yet.

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Re: The infidels:

Post by outhouse » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:07 pm

JPCusickSr wrote:
outhouse wrote: Its not about the west, it is about people who have no leader, no governing power, and worst of all no moderation. It is wild and free and barbaric. No control what so ever.
It is foolish on the part of "the west" to keep assassinating the Muslim leaders and to keep preventing the creation of a real Caliphate because then there would be a central authority whom we could make peace and establish realistic parameters and that can only be done with a true functioning Caliphate.

But of course we know that "the west" does not want any real peace so a Caliphate is not wanted, and assassinating (murdering) the Muslim leaders is a show of our true morality.

It is peculiar that many Americans want less gov and want to be wild and free, but then Americans condemn both the freedom and a central gov (a Caliphate) from the Muslims. That is very similar to an oxymoron.
outhouse wrote: They never knew we would one day find out characters like Abraham, moses, noah, the exodus, all 100% fiction and never existed in reality. and they will never admit to living a lie as deep as they are required to follow. No facts will ever be accepted no matter how well presented,
That is true for many Christians and Jews too.

The Bible was only to point people in the direction of God, and not to the Patriarchs or the Prophets or to Saints.

All people are afraid of the real God, and it is really hard for any person to get past that extreme human fear.
You make a lot of BS claims about the west.

Can you back anything up or is it all hot air ? Really all I hear is Islamic rhetoric.


The muslim on muslim violence over sectarian issues is ALL that stops a Caliphate


Caliphate is primitive and barbaric for the record, civilized societies do not let religion dictate law.

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Re: An opinion regarding Islam

Post by neilgodfrey » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:09 pm

outhouse wrote:
neilgodfrey wrote:None of the above proves anything about Islam

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Just genocide BY islam in the last 100 years. to the tune of millions murdered over sectarian violence
"genocide BY Islam"???? Crack open a history book. Learn a little about the history of the people involved. Don't be misled by such simplistic ignorance of how the world works. Open a book by serious researchers on the causes of Islamist terrorism. Open a book by a serious journalist or scholar on the very human tragedy of current conflicts and the powers responsible. By remaining ignorant of history and the causes of the conflicts you are repeating something akin to fanatical bigotry and misplaced hatred.

But I presume you say that all the wars and genocides committed by the Christian west have been waged and committed "BY Christianity".
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Re: An opinion regarding Islam

Post by outhouse » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:16 pm

neilgodfrey wrote:
outhouse wrote:
neilgodfrey wrote:None of the above proves anything about Islam

.

Just genocide BY islam in the last 100 years. to the tune of millions murdered over sectarian violence
"genocide BY Islam"???? Crack open a history book. Learn a little about the history of the people involved. Don't be misled by such simplistic ignorance of how the world works. Open a book by serious researchers on the causes of Islamist terrorism. Open a book by a serious journalist or scholar on the very human tragedy of current conflicts and the powers responsible. By remaining ignorant of history and the causes of the conflicts you are repeating something akin to fanatical bigotry and misplaced hatred.

But I presume you say that all the wars and genocides committed by the Christian west have been waged and committed "BY Christianity".
I understand your point. But you must understand mine. islam holds the highest fanaticism and fundamentalism of any faith.

I think you can measure the times islam was not at war in the decades since it first formed.

I'm the last 100 years Christian deaths do not equal over 13million death attributed to islam. Hell we only lost 400,000 ish Americans in WW2 which was not religious based.

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Re: An opinion regarding Islam

Post by outhouse » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:18 pm

Try asking a muslim a question that is even partially negative about the koran.

They are unable to communicate, you will get asked a question in return. You never get a honest straight answer back EVER.

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