Re: Codex Sinaiticus - the white parchment Friderico-Augusta
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:05 pm
So you think Sinaiticus is a fake, or that parts of it are, I gather.
Investigating the roots of western civilization (ye olde BC&H forum of IIDB lives on...)
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ficino wrote:So you think Sinaiticus is a fake, or that parts of it are, I gather.
This is similar to what was shared from David Trobisch.As for how we "know" Sinaiticus is from the 4th century, this is actually something I have wondered myself, but this dating seems too deeply entrenched in the scholarship of early Christianity to have a rational discussion about it.
Well, you obviously start from foregone conclusions. Good luck with trying to convince anyone that all Alexandrian-type manuscripts are false.Steven Avery wrote:Historically, Sinaiticus was used as a buttress to the new Westcott and Hort theories behind their 1871 and 1881 GNT recension. The Batman of Vaticanus was a partner to the Robin of Sinaiticus. Together they were the W-H textual Dynamic Duo. If Robin turns out to be a shill of the Joker, Gotham City will need a reexamination of its crime-busting approach. Now, to be fair, Hort's theories are pretty much defunct anyway, whatever the actual situation with Sinaiticus. However, the residue of the theories still casts a heavy hand on NT textual circles.
No, I'm fine, as those textual issues are settled. Codex Fuldensis is also white, by the way. It's from the 540's. So, being white doesn't preclude old age.Steven Avery wrote:I'll be very happy to go into textual issues, including various variants, on a thread or forum where that is the topic.
hmmm .. if yellow in colour is a sign of age, then what of the white parchment of Codex Frederico-Augustanus? And was the rest of the ms. was yellowed, aged, in a manner not taking 1500 years. Done in the special 15 years (1844-1859).A Full Collation of the Codex Sinaiticus (1864)
Scrivener
http://books.google.com/books?id=v-JUmBD5zIcC&pg=PP38
"Nor, in estimating its date, must we forget the quality of the material on which it is written, or its present look and condition. The vellum leaves, now almost yellow in colour, are not only the largest, but among the finest and smoothest yet known ; if not quite so thin as those of the Codex Claromontanus of St. Paul's Epistles, the skins of none but the very oldest documents can be compared to them in beauty"
============================Christian Remembrancer
The Great Vatican Manuscript of the Holy Bible
Scrivener
http://books.google.com/books?id=2_UDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA428
Of Tischendorf's animus, we fear, the least said the better: but those who remember the circumstances of that period, when Constantine Simonides was claiming to be the actual writer of Codex א, and Tischendorf's strange silence was lending some plausibility to his pretensions, will be of opinion that he could not well have done a wiser thing than to submit the suspected document to the examination of a most competent judge, who could have no prejudice in favour of its discoverer.
As an example, you can find online:The British and Foreign Evangelical Review and Quarterly (1864)
Biblical and Miscellaneous Intelligence
http://books.google.com/books?id=Yw4EAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA428
Dr Tischendorf, in addition to former attacks upon the character and credit of his great Codex Sinaiticus, proceeding from the Archimandrite Porfiri Uspenski in Russia, and from Simonides in London, has recently had to repel another assault from one of his own countrymen, an anonymous writer in one of the church journals of Saxony. The tone of this attack appears to have been unduly personal and bitter against the meritorious editor, and to have roused him to an equally undue degree of excitement. The title of his pamphlet in reply is sufficiently significant on this point—"Weapons of Darkness against the Sinai-Bible." The brochure is censured for its extreme tone; but it is acknowledged that Tischendorf has again successfully vindicated both the originality of his discovery, and the high value of the manuscript. It were well if the indefatigable and justly celebrated critic would take a hint from these repeated attacks upon him to be a little less self-asserting than is his wont—a foible and fault of which an author is sure, sooner or later, to be disagreeably reminded by one or other of his fellows.
Afaik, none of this material, those opposed to some of the Tischendorf claims or his defense, have been subject to modern examination. (Assaults, from an HTML edition, is easy enough to put through google translate)The American Presbyterian and Theological Review (1866)
Theological and Literary Intelligence
http://books.google.com/books?id=-mvUAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA192
He replied sharply in 1863 to the impudent claim of Simonides, in a pamphlet, entitled "Assaults on the Sinai MS.;" and there too refuted the theory of the Russian Archimandrite, Porphyry Uspenski, that the Codex had a heretical origin. In another pamphlet, "Weapons of Darkness against the Sinai Bible," 1863, he replied to an anonymous writer in the Sächsisches Kirchenblatt, who assigned the MS. to the 6th century. Hilgenfeld also tried to bring it down to the 6th century ; Tischendorf replied to him in the Tübingen Zeitschrift 1864.
But while this MS. is generally conceded to belong to the fourth century (e. g. by Weizsäcker on the Epistle of Barnabas, 1863 ; and by Tobler in an essay on the Epistle to the Hebrews in Hilgenfelds's Zeitschrift), several recent writers put it below the Vatican MS. as an authority, on account of its evident carelessness and numerous mistakes. Thus, Prof. Buttman, in Hilgenfeld's Zeitschrift, 1864, examines it carefully and finds in the Gospels alone some 360 plain errors or mistakes. Dr. Bömel, in a work on the Galatians, Francfort, 1865, comes to a kindred result, and says, that Tischendorf himseIf, in the last edition of his New Test., in the part on Matthew, i. to xvi. 23, "adopts the Sinaitic reading against the Vatican in 130 places, but the Vatican against the Sinaitic in 164 places." The above is condensed from the Neue Evang. Kirchehzeitung. The editor of the Journal of Sacred Literature (April, 1865), Mr. Cowper, assigns the Sinai Codex to the 4th century, and a Coptic origin.
Christian Remembrancer (1863)
Imperial Edition of the Codex Sinaiticus
http://books.google.com/books?id=rPQDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA374
II. Parchment, Ink, Corrections, &c. of the MS.—
The parchment is generally 'sufflava' in colour, thin, and smooth, although of course the leaves vary; some are worm-eaten.
Sufflavus - yellowishNovum Testsamentum Graece - Ex Sinaitico Codice (1865)
https://archive.org/stream/Tischendorf. ... 9/mode/2up
Membrana codicis non tam alba quam sufflava est,
magnaque ubique laevitate et subtilitate, quamvis singula folia
satis inter se differant.