The Lost Gospel

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The Lost Gospel

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the authors of a new book, The Lost Gospel, claim to have unearthed evidence of a manuscript which tells the story of Jesus’s two sons and his marriage to Mary, one of his closest followers, who was at his crucifixion, burial and the discovery of his empty tomb.

"However, this new book focuses on a story to be found in a manuscript dating back to 570 AD and written in Syriac — a Middle Eastern literary language used between the 4th and 8th centuries and related to Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus.

"Written on vellum — treated animal skin — it had been in the archives of the British Library for about 20 years, where it was put after the British Museum had originally bought it in 1847 from a dealer who said he had obtained it from the ancient St Macarius Monastery in Egypt.

"For the past 160 years, the document has been studied by a few scholars but has been considered pretty unremarkable.

"But then Simcha Jacobovici, an Israeli-Canadian film-maker, and Barrie Wilson, a professor of religious studies in Toronto, took a look. After six years of study, they are convinced they’ve uncovered a missing fifth gospel — to add to the four gospels, which tell the story of the life of Christ and are said to have been written by the evangelists Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, in the 1st century AD.

"Jacobovici claims the manuscript, which is 29 chapters long, is a 6th century copy of another 1st-century gospel and casts parts of the Bible in a very different light.

"Later this week, he will present his findings at a conference hosted by the British Library.

"Like the fictional The Da Vinci Code, which had its hero scouring works of art for secret, religious messages, the document is in code. According to Jacobovici and Wilson, it tells of Jesus’s marriage through the story of the Old Testament character Joseph and his wife Aseneth.

"Jacobovici decided to look more deeply into Joseph and Aseneth, when he compared their story with other Old Testament tales.

In order to test the British Library documents, the researchers used hi-tech digital imaging to photograph them 13 times. They then got the manuscript translated for the first time from Syriac into English.

"There have been other, later, versions of the Joseph and Aseneth story, written in Latin and Greek, which have been preserved in monasteries. But by returning to the ancient Syriac, Wilson and Jacobovici say it was possible to read the text as it was intended and to decode the hidden story.

"Central to their claim is that Joseph was actually Jesus — and that Aseneth was actually Mary Magdalene.

"The new translation, according to Jacobovici and Wilson, records that the Pharaoh of Egypt officiated at the wedding between the couple, saying to Aseneth:
  • Blessed are you by the Lord God of Joseph, because he is the first-born of God, and you will be called the Daughter of God Most High and the bride of Joseph now and for ever.’
"The theory is based on the claims that this ‘lost’ gospel and the ‘encrypted’ story of Jesus’s marriage was the work of a group of persecuted Christians. It apparently disappeared from public view around 325 AD.

"It was at the time that the then Roman emperor Constantine — the first Christian emperor — was said to have ordered all other gospels to be destroyed, leaving only Matthew, Mark, Luke and John to tell Jesus’s story because their version fitted with Constantine’s view of Christianity.


"Principally, the story about Joseph has little connection with other Old Testament stories about a man who is best-known for the tale of his murderous brothers ...

"What’s more, Joseph is often seen in early Syriac Christianity as a symbol of Jesus. The manuscript calls Joseph — like Jesus — the son of God.

"The parallels with Christian Holy Communion, according to Jacobovici, means that this is a ‘Christian text’.

"The document is also preceded by a covering letter, written in the 6th century by the man who translated the document from its original Greek into Syriac.

It says the document has an ‘inner meaning’ about ‘our Lord, our God, the Word’.

"But just at the point when it seems as if the text’s hidden inner meaning is about to be disclosed, there is a big tear in the manuscript — suggesting someone deliberately censored the revelation that was to follow.

"Just two years ago, Harvard professor Karen L. King declared that she’d found a papyrus fragment — thought to be from Egypt — called The Gospel Of Jesus’s Wife. In it, there were four words, written in Coptic (an Egyptian language), saying: ‘Jesus said to them, “My wife . . .” ’

"Jacobovici believes that his ‘lost gospel’ supports Professor King’s studies.

"He is also convinced the story of Jesus’s marriage is already incorporated into four gospels in the New Testament.

"He says: ‘Jesus is called a “rabbi” in the gospels. And a rabbi, to this day, in order to have a congregation and a ministry, has to be married. If he’s going to lead a congregation, he’s got to be a model for that congregation. In the first century, you reach manhood — you get married.’
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Making this text out to be a copy of a 1st century gospel is the scholarly equivalent of turning straw into gold.

If it could be done, we'd all be rich.

Every other scholar should then trot out their own favorite decoded text to prove their own theory too. So much proof! Happy days.
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I've seen this tale referred to by a Christian theologian/historian as a Jewish tale. That raises the question of 'when was it a Jewish tale?', if it was.

There are, apparently, 16 manuscript copies of this 'lost gospel'1, and the one in the British Library (in Syriac), from which this claim is made, is supposedly listed in all the scholarly literature.

add: it would be interesting to know in what language/s the other manuscripts are written in.

add 2 -

Reference to it here http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/aseneth.html

and here - http://www.markgoodacre.org/aseneth/translat.htm via http://markgoodacre.org/aseneth/

and wikipedia says this
The work is anonymous and its author unknown. The dating is contentious, and it is not even clear whether this is a Jewish or a Christian work (or neither).

The earliest version is in Syriac and dates from the sixth century AD. Most modern scholarship treats it as a Jewish work dating some time from first century BC to the second AD. Batiffol (who produced the first critical edition) and, more recently, Kraemer have argued that it was originally a Christian work, dating from the fourth or fifth centuries. Kraemer suggests connections with works like Acts of Thomas.

Early versions exist today in Syriac, Slavonic, Armenian and Latin – but there is general consensus that it was originally composed in Greek. In the manuscripts, the work is variously titled: The History of Joseph the Just and Aseneth his Wife; The Confession and Prayer of Aseneth, the daughter of Pentephres, the Priest[/i]; and The Wholesome Narrative Concerning the Corn-Giving of Joseph, the All-Fair, and Concerning Aseneth, and How God United Them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_and_Aseneth
1 There are supposedly 16 Greek versions - http://www.jhsonline.org/Articles/article_185.pdf. That article argues it is a Christian text.
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Sounds suspiciously like the intro to The Word, a novel by Irving Wallace from 1972.
Plot:

The plot of the novel is based around the discovery within Roman ruins of a new gospel written by Jesus' younger brother, James in the first century. In the gospel, many facts of Jesus' life, including the years not mentioned in the Bible, are revealed not to be as factual as they were once thought to be. Steven Randall, a divorced public relations executive running his own company in New York City, is the man hired by New Testament International, an alliance of American and European Bible publishers, to give publicity to James' Gospel as published by them. The project has been top-secret for six years, and now it is about to be unveiled to a world long in need of Christian revival. However, as Steven gets more involved in the project he runs into several questionable circumstances, as radical clerics centered in Central Europe oppose the publication of the document, since it would give ammunition for the conservative churches to keep the flow of worship from the top to the bottom, instead of bringing the faith to the masses. A struggle for control of the World Council of Churches, the suspicious absence in the project of archeologist Prof. Agusto Monti, the original discoverer – and whose daughter Angela is a potential love interest for Steve –, and the potential notion that the newly discovered gospel itself is a forgery made in the 20th century instead of a legitimate historical document, all are guaranteed to make Steve question the worth of the new job he's undertaking, and the newly re-found faith in God he acquired along with it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Word_(novel)
There are obvious improbabilities: Conservative Christians would never, ever, condone the publication of anything that would add to the books of the New Testament, and Augusto Monti's pious daughter Angela would never allow herself to be "unequally yoked" to an unbeliever. Duh! So, a new gospel to compliment the NT gospels, six years of secret scholarship, the publication of which will tie up all previous loose ends about the Life of Jesus®. Amen!

I will propose that Jacobovici has read this novel, which has about as many cliché characters and hokey plot elements as the book The Mystery of Mar Saba by James H. Hunter, which some charge Morton Smith with reading before creating his salty, swindling hoax, then created his own elaborate hoax! :shh:

EDIT: Joseph & Aseneth is an apocryphal book that is of special interest to Mark Goodacre of Synoptic-l fame. Peter, you might consider extending an invitation for his learned opinion once Jacobovici & Wilson's text gets published.

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I know more about the backstory to this book than almost anyone. I just keep my wouth shut.
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Stephan Huller wrote:I know more about the backstory to this book than almost anyone. I just keep my wouth shut.
You're such a tease.
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"Central to their claim is that Joseph was actually Jesus — and that Aseneth was actually Mary Magdalene."
The Aseneth Code! Coming soon to a theater near you.
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The Word was not a bad book at all. I might re-read it.
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MrMacSon wrote:I've seen this tale referred to by a Christian theologian/historian as a Jewish tale. That raises the question of 'when was it a Jewish tale?', if it was.
That same Christian theologian/historian has now said "it was in the first-century BC Greek-speaking Jewish-world!"

So a story around through the 1st & 2nd centuries AD/CE ...
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New Book Claims Jesus Had a Wife:

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Well you can take this for what it's worth.

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/11/11/b ... d=webmail6

According to Mark Goodacre he does not think there is any credibility to the claims. According to the article the book goes on sale Nov 12, 2014.
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