How many Christs are there?
How many Christs are there?
There seems to be an assumption, possibly from biology, that there is a last common ancestor Christ, we argue here is it "mythical" or "historical".
But what if we are using unconsciously the wrong biological model?
It is now accepted there was - and is - a huge bacterial world where horizontal gene transfer is the reality. Mix and match.
So why not for example ask how many different Christs are there in the New Testament? What are their common points and differences?
And instead of attempting to ask how do they track back to a historical Jesus or a Cosmic Christ, ask what bits are they made from? Which part bins were used to put together particular Christs? The Land Rover Discovery Christ, the Ford Christ, the Emperor Christ?
But what if we are using unconsciously the wrong biological model?
It is now accepted there was - and is - a huge bacterial world where horizontal gene transfer is the reality. Mix and match.
So why not for example ask how many different Christs are there in the New Testament? What are their common points and differences?
And instead of attempting to ask how do they track back to a historical Jesus or a Cosmic Christ, ask what bits are they made from? Which part bins were used to put together particular Christs? The Land Rover Discovery Christ, the Ford Christ, the Emperor Christ?
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Re: How many Christs are there?
I'd say there are probably 3-4+Clive wrote: So why not for example ask how many different Christs are there in the New Testament? What are their common points and differences?
- a Pauline 1 or 2+ - authentic-Paulines' Christ (or two); and inauthentic-Paulines' Christs (1-2+)
- a Synoptic 1 or 2 (Mathew/Mark/Lukes; and John's +/- Revelations')
- Others - Hebrews; etc
- - The General Epistles' Christs
Last edited by MrMacSon on Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: How many Christs are there?
I thought more! One each for the evangelists (although, how many does John have?) plus at least one each for all the other books!
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Re: How many Christs are there?
And we haven't started on the non canonical ones!
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Re: How many Christs are there?
Possibly/Probably; though I'd say Matthew Mark & Luke may use one; and if Revelations is written by whoever wrote John, one there two.Clive wrote:I thought more! One each for the evangelists (although, how many does John have?) plus at least one each for all the other books!
There could be more than 2 on the Paulines; then all the other books .... +++++
Yes, good point - they probably reflect a widespread trend for writers to write about their own personal Christ/AngelClive wrote:And we haven't started on the non canonical ones!
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Re: How many Christs are there?
Clive wrote:...
So why not for example ask how many different Christs are there in the New Testament?
Clive wrote:And we haven't started on the non canonical ones!
The numbers were pretty well contained in the early period.
But I think the number of different Christ's (and Christianities) went through the roof after Nicaea (and has never looked back)
The Interpretation of Knowledge: NHC 11.1 - "But our generation is fleeing since it does not yet even believe that the Christ is alive. .
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Re: How many Christs are there?
In GMark alone you have:
1. Jesus Christ, Son of God
2. Jesus, Holy One of God
3. Son of Man
4. Christ, Son of David
5. Christ, Son of the Blessed One
1. Jesus Christ, Son of God
2. Jesus, Holy One of God
3. Son of Man
4. Christ, Son of David
5. Christ, Son of the Blessed One
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Re: How many Christs are there?
I think there are pre-Christian Christs.MrMacSon wrote:I'd say there are probably 3-4+Clive wrote: So why not for example ask how many different Christs are there in the New Testament? What are their common points and differences?
- a Pauline 1 or 2+ - authentic-Paulines' Christ (or two); and inauthentic-Paulines' Christs (1-2+)
- a Synoptic 1 or 2 (Mathew/Mark/Lukes; and John's +/- Revelations')
- Others - Hebrews; etc
- - The General Epistles' Christs
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Re: How many Christs are there?
cienfuegos wrote:
I think there are pre-Christian Christs.
people?: Adam, Enoch, Elijah, Joseph, Joshua, Melchizedek, Seth
angels?: Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel, Angel of Yahweh, Metatron
Sophia/Wisdom?
"Who do men say I am?"
The metric to judge if one is a good exegete: the way he/she deals with Barabbas.
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Re: How many Christs are there?
Cloud by day, fire by night in the wilderness?
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