How many Christs are there?

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outhouse wrote:credible sources please.
Erythrean Sybil. [IESOUS CHREISTOS THEOU HUIOS SOTER STAUROS].
The prophecy relates to the coming down upon the Earth of the Spirit
of Truth (Christos), after which advent will begin the Golden Age;
the verse refers to the necessity before reaching that blessed condition
of inner (or subjective) theophany and theopneusty, to pass through the
crucifixion of flesh or matter.

470 BCE
Aeschylus (Cho. 901) we read of pythochresta
the "oracles delivered by a Pythian God"

460 BCE
Pindar (pp. 4-10) The words [chresen oikistera] mean "the oracle proclaimed him the colonizer."
In this case the genius of the Greek language permits that the man so proclaimed should be called Chrestos.
Hence this term was applied to every Disciple recognized by a Master, as also to every good man.

420 BCE
Euripides (Ion. 1320) (Eurip. Ion, 1218)
Pythochrestos is the nominative singular
of an adjective derived from chrao .

420 BCE
Herodotus - The word [chreon] is explained by Herodotus (7,11,7,)
as that which an oracle declares, and See also Vide Herodotus, 7, 215; 5, 108;

420 BCE
Sophocles, Phil. 437.

350 BCE
Plato (in Phaed. 264 B) has [chrestos ei hoti hegei] -- "you are an excellent fellow to think . . ."

333 BCE
Demosthenes saying [o Chreste] (330, 27), means by it simply "you nice fellow";
Demosthenes, De Corona, 313, declares that the candidates for initiation
into the Greek mysteries were anointed with oil.
So they are now in India, even in the initiation the Yogi mysteries, various ointments or unguents being used.

XXX BCE
Pagan classics expressed more than one idea by the verb [chraomai] "consulting an oracle";
for it also means "fated," doomed by an oracle,
in the sense of a sacrificial victim to its decree, or -- "to the WORD"; as chresterion is not only "the seat of an oracle"
but also "an offering to, or for, the oracle.'' (18)
Chrestes is one who expounds or explains oracles, "a prophet, a soothsayer;" (19) and chresterios is one who belongs to, or is in the service of, an oracle, a god, or a "Master" (20);

010 CE
Philo Judaeus speaks of theochrestos "God-declared," or one who is declared by god, and of
logia theochresta "sayings delivered by God" -- which proves that he wrote at a time
when neither Christians nor Chrestians were yet known under these names, but still called themselves the Nazarenes.

090 CE
[to chreon] is given by Plutarch (Nich. 14.) as "fate," "necessity."
Plutarch (V. Phocion), wonders how such a rough and dull fellow as Phocion could be surnamed Chrestos.

XXX BCE/CE?
In the Travels of Dr. Clarke, inscription
[CHRESTOS PROTOS THESSALOS LARISSAIOS PELASGIOTES ETON IH];
or, "Chrestos, the first, a Thessalonian from Larissa, Pelasgiot 18 years old Hero."
Dr. Clarke shows, the word Chrestos is found on the epitaphs of almost all the ancient Larissians; but it is preceded always by a proper name.
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134 CE
Hadrian to Servianus, (Quoted by Giles, ii p86) :
"Egypt, which you commended to me, my dearest Servianus,
I have found to be wholly fickle and inconsistent,
and continually wafted about by every breath of fame.
The worshipers of Serapis (here) are called 'Christians',
and those who are devoted to the god Serapis (I find),
call themselves 'Bishops of Christ'. "

etc here - http://www.mountainman.com.au/essenes/c ... ristos.htm
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Anyone know about this?

http://www.krishna.com/krishna-or-christ-name-same
A Conversation with A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and several of his disciples were joined by Father Emmanuel Jungclaussen, a Benedictine monk from Niederalteich Monastery. Noticing that Srila Prabhupada was carrying meditation beads similar to the Catholic rosary, Father Emmanuel explained that he also chanted a constant prayer: “Lord Jesus Christ, be merciful unto us.” The following conversation ensued.

Srila Prabhupada: What is the meaning of the word Christ?

Father Emmanuel: Christ comes from the Greek word Christos, meaning “the anointed one.”

Srila Prabhupada: Christos is the Greek version of the word Krishna.
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outhouse wrote:
MrMacSon wrote: The Christian Christ is likely a continuation of a tradition.
credible sources please.
There Were Many "Christs" Prior to Jesus

There was a black Christ or Christed One in certain cultures and other cultures had their version of the Christed One. In India it was known as Krishna. This Awareness indicates that Krishna is the Indian version of a Christed being. There were many Christs prior to Jesus. The term was used even as far back as Atlantis, and therefore, when they sought for a further defining term to call their new composite in the new religion of Rome, the concept of Hesus Christos, Jesus the Christ was the result and most entities could accept that because they had no hostility toward either term.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... smyth2.htm
The word "Christ" or "Kristo" or "Krsna" is a variation of the word KRISHNA, one of the countless and ancient names for God Almighty in the 4-6,000 yr old language of Sanskrit.

http://www.harekrsna.de/christo-krishna.htm
Moreover, there is the view that the Latin Jesus may as much reflect Jes, the Phoenician designation of the sun-god, Bacchus

p446 of Antiquity Unveiled: Ancient Voices from the Spirit Realms by Jonathan M. Roberts
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MrMacSon wrote:
Moreover, there is the view that the Latin Jesus may as much reflect Jes, the Phoenician designation of the sun-god, Bacchus

p446 of Antiquity Unveiled: Ancient Voices from the Spirit Realms by Jonathan M. Roberts
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Quote mined garbage from the 1800's He is not credible here.

You are desperate
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Not credible.


Are you really so desperate your now arguing there is disambiguation in the name "Christ" ??????????????????? We know there is.


Out of context.


How many Christ talking about Jesus, is the context were holding.
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outhouse wrote:
How many Christ talking about Jesus, is the context were holding.
I had said
MrMacSon wrote: The Christian Christ is likely a continuation of a tradition.
You said
outhouse wrote:credible sources please.
Now you goal-post shift to
outhouse wrote:Christ talking about Jesus, is the context were holding.
You're also a hypocrite extraodinaire - you keep wanting sources from others, but never provide any yourself.

Also, stop spreading out replies with extra lines & periods, as if it make your nonsense seem more substantive.
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MrMacSon wrote: Now you goal-post shift to


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No

Still waiting for credible sources. NOT known disambiguation of the word Christ.


It snot moving goal post because you took it out of context.

YOU have no preexisting tradition for two Jesus characters
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Outhouse, I note you have not addressed the various Christs in the New Testament, two of whom are the point of many discussions here. And would you please show evidence that the various NT authors are talking about one christ, which to me looks like a theological assertion.

And what of Ellegard's Teacher of Righteousness?
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There seem to be huge reactions to the heresy of asking how many christs. I might have worked out why!
Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it
for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
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In Divis Claudius 25 (in Lives of the Caesars), written in the early 2nd C,
Suetonius refers to the expulsion of Jews by Claudius in 49 AD; stating (in Edwards' translation):
"Since the Jews constantly made disturbances, at the instigation of Chrestus, he [Claudius] expelled them from Rome."

Suetonius. Lives of the Caesars (2001 & 2008) translated by Catharine Edwards. ISBN 0192832719 pp. 184, 203
  • R.T. France says that the notion of a misspelling by Suetonius "can never be more than a guess, and the fact that Suetonius can elsewhere speak of 'Christians' as members of a new cult (without any reference to Jews) surely makes it rather unlikely that he could make such a mistake."
    (R.T. France, The Evidence for Jesus, Hodder & Stoughton (1986) p. 42.)

    Robert E. Van Voorst states that nothing in the sentence that Suetonius wrote explicitly refers to Christ or Christianity and adds that the simplest way to understand the statement is that Chrestus was an agitator in Rome (Van Voorst, Jesus, 2000. p. 32).
Note that Jews were expelled, not Christianoi or Chrestianos. This suggests a pre-Christian use of Chrestus, & possibly a pre Jesus-the-Christ use.
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