New Fragment of Mark! Dated 1st century!

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Was Jesus mummified?


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Hi Kunigunde,

Thank you for this. It is truly frightening that David Greene, owner of Hobby Lobby, and other wealthy evangelists are apparently destroying history in their attempt to provide historical evidence for the Jesus mythology.

Warmly,

Jay Raskin
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Roberta Mazza, 24 June 2014
Papyri, Collectors and the Antiquities Market: a Survey and Some Questions
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PhilosopherJay wrote:Hi Kunigunde,

Thank you for this. It is truly frightening that David Greene, owner of Hobby Lobby, and other wealthy evangelists are apparently destroying history in their attempt to provide historical evidence for the Jesus mythology.

Warmly,

Jay Raskin
Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote:a little side note

Roberta Mazza, 24 June 2014
Papyri, Collectors and the Antiquities Market: a Survey and Some Questions
I was surprised to see David Trobisch as the curator of Green's collection of artifacts. I was wondering where he had gone to ...

DCH
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PhilosopherJay wrote:Hi Kunigunde,

Thank you for this. It is truly frightening that David Greene, owner of Hobby Lobby, and other wealthy evangelists are apparently destroying history in their attempt to provide historical evidence for the Jesus mythology.

Warmly,

Jay Raskin
Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote:a little side note

Roberta Mazza, 24 June 2014
Papyri, Collectors and the Antiquities Market: a Survey and Some Questions
"To sum up: We are still acting as though living in the colonial, Victorian past, or to rephrase the title of a famous book of Bruno Latour “we’ve never been post-colonial”, which makes me unhappy, and on so many levels."
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DCHindley wrote:
PhilosopherJay wrote:Hi Kunigunde,

Thank you for this. It is truly frightening that David Greene, owner of Hobby Lobby, and other wealthy evangelists are apparently destroying history in their attempt to provide historical evidence for the Jesus mythology.

Warmly,

Jay Raskin
Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote:a little side note

Roberta Mazza, 24 June 2014
Papyri, Collectors and the Antiquities Market: a Survey and Some Questions
I was surprised to see David Trobisch as the curator of Green's collection of artifacts. I was wondering where he had gone to ...

DCH

Must be a seriously mixed blessing for Trobisch. He was undoubtedly lured away from academia with a lot of cash, and he gets to work with ancient texts. Sounds like a dream job except that his boss is a fundamentalist of the most cartoonish stereotype.
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Not sure if a "lot of cash" or three hots and a cot was the primary motivator.
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I posted the link on Ehrman's blog. This was his reply:

"I think that must be the fragment. It’s highly controversial just now, since apparently the people wanting to get to these papyri have no scruples at all about destroying other antiquities (masks from Egypt) in order to get to them."

This hadn't occurred to me. Yeah, that's pretty messed up when you think about it.
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Trobisch is cool. He was raised by missionary parents in Africa. Anyone from Africa is cool. African 'coolifies' people.
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Stephan Huller wrote:Trobisch is cool. He was raised by missionary parents in Africa. Anyone from Africa is cool. African 'coolifies' people.
Wow - Having lived in Africa (East and South) for over 50 years - I must be super cool ....... :popcorn:
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