Re: The Pauline Gospel was a Late Invention
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:22 pm
You and I both know of the tendency to incorporate various sources and ideas for Christianity.
Investigating the roots of western civilization (ye olde BC&H forum of IIDB lives on...)
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Are you claiming that it was a Christian who argued that no well known writer mentioned Jesus and Paul?Duvduv wrote:You and I both know of the tendency to incorporate various sources and ideas for Christianity.
Now, examine Acts 13--Saul/Paul will preached about Jesus, the Son of God who was crucified and raised from the dead. The same as Peter in Acts 2.Now for several days he was with the disciples who were at Damascus, 20 and immediately he began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, saying, "He is the Son of God." 21 All those hearing him continued to be amazed, and were saying, "Is this not he who in Jerusalem destroyed those who called on this name..
In the Canon, Saul/Paul knew the story of Jesus which was known and circulated by the supposed disciples of Jesus when Saul/Paul was a persecutor...16 Paul stood up, and motioning with his hand said , "Men of Israel, and you who fear God, listen : 17 "The God of this people Israel................ raised up David to be their king, concerning whom He also testified and said, 'I HAVE FOUND DAVID the son of Jesse, A MAN AFTER MY HEART, who will do all My will.' 23 "From the descendants of this man, according to promise, God has brought to Israel a Savior, Jesus,
24 after John had proclaimed before His coming a baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
25 "And while John was completing his course, he kept saying, 'What do you suppose that I am ? I am not He. But behold, one is coming after me the sandals of whose feet I am not worthy to untie.'
26 "Brethren , sons of Abraham's family, and those among you who fear God, to us the message of this salvation has been sent. 27 "For those who live in Jerusalem, and their rulers, recognizing neither Him nor the utterances of the prophets which are read every Sabbath, fulfilled these by condemning Him.
28 "And though they found no ground for putting Him to death, they asked Pilate that He be executed. 29 "When they had carried out all that was written concerning Him, they took Him down from the cross and laid Him in a tomb. 30 "But God raised Him from the dead ; 31 and for many days He appeared to those who came up with Him from Galilee to Jerusalem, the very ones who are now His witnesses to the people........
and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless ; you are still in your sins.
22 And as they ate, having taken bread and blessed, he broke and gave to them and said: Take: this is my body.
23 And having taken the cup and given thanks, he gave to them; and they all drank of it.
24 And he said to them: This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.
23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread ; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me." 25 In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood[ ; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
19 And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me." 20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood..
The author of Acts is clear. Saul/Paul was with the disciples for several days and then he IMMEDIATELY preached in the Synagogues and confounded the JEWS--Not Gentiles........ Now for several days he was with the disciples who were at Damascus, 20 and immediately he began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, saying, "He is the Son of God." 21 All those hearing him continued to be amazed, and were saying, "Is this not he who in Jerusalem destroyed those who called on this name, and who had come here for the purpose of bringing them bound before the chief priests ?" 22 But Saul kept increasing in strength and confounding the Jews who lived at Damascus by proving that this Jesus is the Christ...
Galatians 2 NAS15 But when God, who had set me apart even from my mother's womb and called me through His grace, was pleased 16 to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood, 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went away to Arabia, and returned once more to Damascus. 18 Then three years later I went up to Jerusalem to become acquainted with Cephas, and stayed with him fifteen days.
The Pauline writer IMPROVED the post-resurrection Commission to his disciples in the Later Gospels and Acts.7 But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised 8 (for He who effectually worked for Peter in his apostleship to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles..
The Pauline author of Galatians NOT only knew the fiction story of the Commission of the resurrected Jesus but also IMPROVED the story and claimed that it was HE--Not the disciples, who was commissioned to preach to the GENTILES by the fiction character after he was raised from the dead.Afterward He appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at the table; and He reproached them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who had seen Him after He had risen. 15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved ; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
dewitness wrote:Are you claiming that it was a Christian who argued that no well known writer mentioned Jesus and Paul?Duvduv wrote:You and I both know of the tendency to incorporate various sources and ideas for Christianity.
You have no evidence that all Christians adopted pre-existing philosophical writings and made changes to them. You are really speculating--not arguing--because you fail to provide the evidence to support your argument.Duvduv wrote:I am simply arguing that Christians along the way ADOPTED pre-existing philosophical writings and made a few changes to them as they were rather than engage in wholesale rewriting or reinventing the wheel. I am claiming where you see a tract referencing "Christians" with no mention of the religion, doctrines, etc., it is quite likely the original did not refer to Christians at all, but was sufficiently acceptable to be considered a philosophical text of value with a few changes.