Mythicism: Two Theories

[Peter Kirby]

https://rossonl.wordpress.com/2014/06/2 ... -theories/

Half a year late, but this blog post is well worth perusing for its review of Carrier and Spencer (a "mythicist" regarding Muhammad).

[outhouse]

I liked this part.

I used to dismiss mythicists as agenda-driven cranks, and frankly many of them still are.

No this gets laughable.

Both Spencer and Carrier are credible advocates

This is where my parallel to creationist and mythicist fits perfectly. Both are ignorance based.

Neither Spencer nor Carrier have degrees in Qur’an or Biblical Studies.

Duh, no need to explain the bias and ignorance here. Why use math if your so vague you cant tell the difference between a hand grenade and a atom bomb. If your not using math for precision, don't use it.

008% – 32%

All in all, not to sure about Loren Rosson III, I don't know enough about him. He seemed to be fair though.

I was once lured in by Carriers intellect, but knowing him, is also seeing his wrong turns I choose not to follow.

I could care less about Spencer, I think he has buried himself in bias to waist 5 minutes reading and researching on him.

[Peter Kirby]

This is where my parallel to creationist and mythicist fits perfectly. Both are ignorance based.

Neither Spencer nor Carrier have degrees in Qur’an or Biblical Studies.

Nonsense. Carrier has a Ph.D. in ancient history from Columbia University. It's certainly a suitable qualification. To describe either person, Carrier or Spencer, or their work as "ignorance based" is, well... ignorant.

[Peter Kirby]

There's also a fairly comprehensive review of Carrier appearing here:

http://www.skepticink.com/humesapprenti ... sus-index/

Carrier is keeping a running tally of his replies to things here:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/5730

[steve43]

His degree is in Ancient History PHILOSOPHY. It could be one of those cobbled-together Ivy League things.

[MrMacSon]

His degree is in Ancient History PHILOSOPHY. It could be one of those cobbled-together Ivy League things.

Carrie has a PhD in Ancient History: PhD = Doctor of Philosophy.

[Tonto Goldstein]

His degree is in Ancient History PHILOSOPHY. It could be one of those cobbled-together Ivy League things.

Sorry, but unless you can state how his credentials affect the quality of his argument you're committing a genetic fallacy. Please see here: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic.

R/,
Rich

[John T]

This is where my parallel to creationist and mythicist fits perfectly. Both are ignorance based.

Neither Spencer nor Carrier have degrees in Qur’an or Biblical Studies.

Nonsense. Carrier has a Ph.D. in ancient history from Columbia University. It's certainly a suitable qualification. To describe either person, Carrier or Spencer, or their work as "ignorance based" is, well... ignorant.

In light of all the evidence that has been presented on this forum that proves Carrier is indeed ignorant and/or misleading, I can't see how anyone on this forum can take him seriously.

Once again I ask, what gem of new truth has Carrier discovered that has been verified?

[outhouse]

This is where my parallel to creationist and mythicist fits perfectly. Both are ignorance based.

Neither Spencer nor Carrier have degrees in Qur’an or Biblical Studies.

Nonsense. Carrier has a Ph.D. in ancient history from Columbia University. It's certainly a suitable qualification. To describe either person, Carrier or Spencer, or their work as "ignorance based" is, well... ignorant.

Touche! Mr Kirby We all know he is not completely ignorant to all things biblical.

But having no foundation in biblical studies factually leaves him biased, and at a severe disadvantage of not seeing the whole picture here. The fact his product, books and hypothesis are quite the failure, is evidence of his lack of education.

[Tonto Goldstein]

Once again I ask, what gem of new truth has Carrier discovered that has been verified?

Out of curiosity, can you describe how something is "verified" in regard to Biblical Studies and or what you mean by the term "verified"? It seems to me Carrier is presenting an alternate proposal about the origins of Christianity and asking those educated in the appropriate fields to test his hypothesis and judge it in comparison to all the alternatives. I think fuzzy logic necessarily rules here, and some kind of binary true\false verification standard is unrealistic. Thanks.

Regards,
Rich