Clive wrote:Outhouse, I have been rereading your posts, do you realise you are arguing with yourself about this? Why, are you getting a glimmer that it might be story and play and ritual all the way down?
You don't have a clue what I think, because most of the time im correcting what I perceive as your errors.
I understand mythology all to well, I know some legends are 100% mythology, so your not just wrong about a "glimmer" its ludicrous and desperate on your part to try and save face.
Clive wrote:
No idea how two huge empires that are now at least two and a half thousand years old - (been around the British Museum lately?) had any effect on some tribes in the Western Levant!
Then you have nothing to debate.
Your pathetic diatribe, only proves how little you know about this time period.
We all understand the Mesopotamian influence the exile had on these peoples, and not fully in many places, and we are not blind either, far from it, we can see the evolution of theology in the compilation of multiple traditions to unify such diversity.
Try talking English please, and start backing your position with credible sources, your links just show that you don't even understand the context in the literature.
Robert Tulip wrote:Derailing and missing the point is not fascinating, it is rude, and deserves to be ignored, at best.
Says mr pseudo history.
For religion, the primary phenomena are conceptual, taking the form of statements that believers assert hold meaning, together with the physical objects that relate to these concepts.
You can take the word "phenomena" and every time you and clive used it, and replace it with "ignorance" and it applies equally.
outhouse wrote:
You don't have a clue what I think, because most of the time im correcting what I perceive as your errors.
This from the one who attacked me for supposedly doing the same to you instead of, supposedly, expressing my own thoughts. We're trying to do what you claim to be doing -- getting you to lift your game here.
outhouse wrote:I understand mythology all to well, I know some legends are 100% mythology, so your not just wrong about a "glimmer" its ludicrous and desperate on your part to try and save face.
But you run and hide when I ask you how you can tell the difference between mythology and history in three ancient documents.
By the way, just having a smattering of online education (and one that does not bother to help you with the fundamentals of correct and clear English expression) does not seem to be sufficient in your case to understand that the wikipedia article you quoted represents a common conventional view but does not represent what a significant number of scholars currently argue questioning that traditional understanding.
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Phenomenology (from Greek phainómenon "that which appears" and lógos "study": the philosophical study of the structures of experience and consciousness.
I'd like to see studies and discussions abot the appearance, experience, and consciousness of Chrestus, Christos, etc; and the application of those terms before and around the narrative about Jesus of Nazareth.
A "cobbler of fables" [Augustine]; "Leucius is the disciple of the devil" [Decretum Gelasianum]; and his books "should be utterly swept away and burned" [Pope Leo I]; they are the "source and mother of all heresy" [Photius]
outhouse wrote:A traveling teacher staying in small poor Aramaic villages who was originally from Nazareth baptized by John, practicing Aramaic Galilean apocalyptic Judaism, teaching and healing, after taking over Johns movement and death. Made at least one trip to the temple where he caused trouble in the temple at Passover and was crucified for it under Roman rule.
This explains every bit of evidence we have today perfectly. Every last page.
The only detail it leaves unexplained is how such a teacher came to be worshiped as the divinity of a new religion.
At the end of the day, the answer to that question is by Imperial decree.
"We must not see the fact of usurpation;
law was once introduced without reason, and has become reasonable.
We must make it regarded as authoritative, eternal, and conceal its origin,
if we do not wish that it should soon come to an end."
~ Blaise Pascal, "Pensees"
In the earlier period, such a teacher came to be worshiped - underground - as the divinity of a new religion by the "church organisation".
The key feature of this worship was the preservation of the canonical NT literature and the Greek LXX.
LC
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A "cobbler of fables" [Augustine]; "Leucius is the disciple of the devil" [Decretum Gelasianum]; and his books "should be utterly swept away and burned" [Pope Leo I]; they are the "source and mother of all heresy" [Photius]
Leucius Charinus wrote:
Application of the historical method suggest that an historical Jesus may not be required to explain the rise of the Christian literary cult.
The fact Christianity arose and grew on the basis of literary constructs confirms this
outhouse wrote:A traveling teacher staying in small poor Aramaic villages who was originally from Nazareth baptized by John, practicing Aramaic Galilean apocalyptic Judaism, teaching and healing, after taking over Johns movement and death. Made at least one trip to the temple where he caused trouble in the temple at Passover and was crucified for it under Roman rule.
This explains every bit of evidence we have today perfectly. Every last page.
The only detail it leaves unexplained is how such a teacher came to be worshiped as the divinity of a new religion.
At the end of the day, the answer to that question is by Imperial decree.
