MrMacSon wrote:Peter Kirby wrote:
I can't be the only one who thinks it's weird that "Paul" supposedly has the "born of a woman, born under the law" thing but "Mark" has the descending from heaven with a dove and God's proclamation thing.
isn't
"descending from heaven with a dove and [with?
] God's proclamation" incarnation [high] christology?
To answer this question, we need a working definition of "incarnation" christology.
My working definition is that "incarnation" christology is taken to mean that the "Christ" person popped out of a womb (or otherwise was begat as a baby) while being the Christ person at that time, while any other situation regarding the Christ person (like a spirit wafting down from on high during the Spring Break 30 AD Swimsuit Contest in the Jordan and inhabiting/possessing one of the revelers who happened to be called "Jesus," who was not yet the Christ or Son of God in any way at that point) would get the sticker labeled "non-incarnational" attached to it.
If you don't like the words on these stickers, we can try to find other ones; that's not a big deal. Would you prefer "infantological"? "Natal"?
"High"? I guess I would believe that Jesus inhaled, as he always struck me as the type, so put me down for "high" christology please. (Seriously, though, I can think of nothing more confusing than all this talk about "high" and "low." It's begging for trouble and misunderstanding. Same thing with "early" and "late" dating of anything. Use these words at your own risk!)
Loosely-defined terms have been a great source of consternation in this thread to this point.
MrMacSon wrote:Peter Kirby wrote:In any event, FWIW, Mark's story of the adoption/exaltation of "Jesus" from Galilee does not tend to incline me against non-historicist hypotheses.
Could you repackage that without the triple negative? (doesn't ... against ... non-)
Well, that's a challenge.
It's not technically a double or triple negative, if you can't easily reduce it, because these "negatives" are not "cancelling out."
Here goes.
I am unimpressed by the Gospel of Mark's story being called "adoptionist" or "exaltationist" as potential evidence for historicist hypotheses or interpretations. (Might do, in a pinch, if you really hate negatives... but some nuance is lost...)
"... almost every critical biblical position was earlier advanced by skeptics." - Raymond Brown