Why you believe in what the demons say about Jesus?

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Giuseppe
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Why you believe in what the demons say about Jesus?

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Assuming this is found in Mcn:
And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying,
Thou art the Son of God.
the question arises naturally: why the demons would tell the truth? Demons should tell always a lie, by definition.

My suspect is that the devils are insinuating the exact (false) suspect that the disciples of Jesus, Peter, and even the enemies of Jesus have more and more. Namely, that Jesus is the Jewish Christ, the Son of creator God.

See the sequence of events:

1) Pilate found no evil in Jesus.

2) The Jews (remember: enemies of Pilate, by definition), want that Pilate put Jesus to death.

3) The Jews put on Jesus' mouth the messianic claim because they desire ardently that Jesus reveals his power in extremis (destroying so Pilate himself!). (for them, any attempt to kill Jesus would be as any attempt to kill the Incredible Hulk, IF Jesus was really the Christ.)

4) The son of man is killed but no fulfillment of messianic prophecy happens and on the contrary Pilate remains in his place: instead, the destruction of Jerusalem is reflected on the cross. Jesus is NOT the Christ, is NOT the Son of YHWH.

Question: if for you all this is only horrid & fanciful interpretation, you would not have the desire to write a gospel in order to convince you (and others) that Jesus IS truly the Christ, he is really the son of YHWH?
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Re: Why you believe in what the demons say about Jesus?

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The idea is clearly that the demons (heavenly beings albeit not from the highest realm) saw 'Jesus' and know/remember he was a heavenly being (presumably at creation). They are afraid of him and fear is deemed an involuntary action so 'lying' or 'deception' would be impossible.
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Re: Why you believe in what the demons say about Jesus?

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Remember that in marcionite theology the demons are not allies of Demiurg but his enemies (they would be the pagan divinities, protectors of pagan peoples as YHWH is protector of Israel), and enemies of Jesus, too.

Usually is said - under Doherty/Carrier paradigm - that the demons didn't know the true identity of Jesus. Therefore it's possible to see a continuity between the ignorance of demons in 1 Cor 2:6-8 and in first gospel (Mcn) - beyond which text precedes the other - only if you assume that the demons are yes sincere but have however a limited knowledge about true identity and provenance of Jesus.

In short, all the actors of drama didn't recognize the true identity of Jesus:

1) the demons thought he was the Son of Demiurg coming to destroy them.
2) the Demiurg (i.e. Pilate) believes he is right and coherent with himself (at point to send before Jesus from Herod the right judge of a Galilee) and ignores clearly who is Jesus but surely knows he is not his davidic Son.
3) the Jews & 12 disciples thought Jesus was the warrior Jewish Messiah ben Joseph.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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