- "After relating these things concerning John, he makes mention of our Saviour in the same work, in the following words..."
ie. after Ant. 18.5.1-2.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/testimonium.html
Since the gospel story links it's Jesus figure with John the Baptist it would seem logical for any Josephan interpolator to move or insert the TF to follow the time frame Josephus gives for the death of John the Baptist. (This late date, 36/37 c.e., makes sense also regarding a marriage of Herodias and Antipas - a marriage that in the gospel story John the Baptist condemns.)John2 wrote:Maryhelena wrote (in response to DC Hindley):
"... would you suggest that there was no TF at the time Eusebius wrote his history and that he therefore had no knowledge of it's placement of the Jesus crucifixion prior to or around 19 c.e.?"
Regarding the placement of the TF (according to Eusebius), EH 1.11.7 says that, "after relating these things concerning John [the Baptist], he makes mention of our Savior in the same work," but the TF as we have it now (Ant. 18.3.3) comes before the John the Baptist passage (Ant. 18.5.1-2).
Though he does say in Demonstration 3.5, "In his [Josephus'] record of the times of Pilate [he] mentions our Savior in these words."
(I just edited out the reference to Ant. 18.2.2. I'm at work and didn't process that it doesn't mean anything.)
There is a confused and confusing discussion at http://bcharchive.org/2/thearchives/sho ... l?t=165230The priesthood in the holy church is David's throne and kingly seat, for the Lord joined together and gave to his holy church both the kingly and the high-priestly dignity, transferring to it the never-failing throne of David. For David's throne endured in line of succession until the time of Christ himself, rulers from Judah not failing until he came 'to whom the things kept in reserve belonged, and he was the expectation of the gentiles'. With the advent of the Christ the rulers in line of succession from Judah, reigning until the time of the Christ himself, ceased. For the line fell away and stopped from the time when he was born in Bethlehem of Judea under Alexander, who was of priestly and royal race. From Alexander onward this office ceased--from the days of Alexander and Salina, who is also called Alexandra, to the days of Herod the king and Augustus the Roman emperor. (Epiphanius, Panarion 29.3)
Thanks, Andrew. I have added it to the OP.andrewcriddle wrote:There is a puzzling claim by Epiphanius of Salamis that seems to date the life of Christ in the 1st centuery BCE