The phrase εἶπεν δὲ in Luke and in the Marcionite gospel.

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Secret Alias
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Re: The phrase εἶπεν δὲ in Luke and in the Marcionite gospel

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And the aforementioned doesn't even take into account that each existing text has been expanded over and over again with additional scriptural 'proofs' by later authors. So the argument he presents against the proposition:
Daniélou, for example, argues for Tertullian's dependence on Irenaeus A.H. 4.33.12, but in fact only two quotations match exactly, and Irenaeus includes many more texts.
Yet what the author fails to recognize is that 'Irenaeus' - Adv Haer - is likely little more than a collection of 'lectures' of Irenaeus expanded and adapted and incorporating older writers still. The Patristic writings are like a big ball of yarn.
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Re: The phrase εἶπεν δὲ in Luke and in the Marcionite gospel

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Secret Alias wrote:Of course that's what we're talking about here. But the same thing is likely for Book Three and Tertullian's Against the Jews no? The original material incorporates a lost treatise of Justin surely also (I love that when I correspond with British people my diction changes in my own head).
I haven't studied Against the Jews enough to comment.

Book 3 of Against Marcion is quite likely influenced by Justin.

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Re: The phrase εἶπεν δὲ in Luke and in the Marcionite gospel

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Well if the smartest person at the forum (Andrew) and the stupidest person at the forum (myself) can agree on something based on intimacy with a text the message should be clear to everyone else - STOP READING SUMMARIES OF ADV MARC! Read the text end to end and THEN come to a proper conclusion. There is no substitute for experience.
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