Michael BG wrote:Turning back to what we are discussing. I understand that Gal 1:19 is not in the Marcion text, but I think 1 Cor 9:5 is.
How sure are you? In my reconstruction, based on BeDuhn,
1 Corinthians 9.1-6 is unattested.
Tertullian takes Marcion to task for his nonbiological interpretation of "mother and brothers" in
Luke 8.19-21, so we
might expect him to comment on "brothers of the Lord" in 1 Corinthians 9.5, if Marcion has it. On the other hand, Tertullian does not always comment on the same topic twice; he sometimes considers the matter closed after so much discussion of it already, so perhaps he just let this one ride. I would say that the most we can say is: 1 Corinthians 9.5 is not attested, either as present or as absent, in the Marcionite version. Whether it was there or not will probably depend on whether your strategy is to start with the entirety of our extant Pauline corpus and work backward using what Marcion is explicitly said to have excised or to start only with what Marcion is explicitly said to have retained and work forward from there. Even so, however, there are going to be huge chunks of text that we will simply have no way of assigning to either pile.
I couldn’t find the Marcion texts of the Pauline Epistles online. Are you aware of a link to them or are ones posted here by DCHindley correct?
In my recent postings, the sources for the textual decisions are in the box below each chapter, so you can read and kind of see for yourself whether BeDuhn has made the right call or not. Some cases are pretty solid, and we can be sure that those passage either were or were not in the text. But others (probably most) are not as clear as we would like them to be, since neither Tertullian nor Epiphanius was producing a critical text of the Marcionite canon.
DCHindley doesn’t include Gal 1:17, 1 Cor 9:5 or 1 Cor 7:25 (but these last two Peter Kirby doesn’t suggest they are omissions), but DCHindley states that BeDuhn states 1 Cor 7:10 is in the Marcion text.
Right. The argument in
Against Marcion 5.7.6 depends on the basic content of 7.25 being there. The exact wording does not look all that secure, but the gist of it should probably be there.
Ben.
, that the entire diatribe ''Carrier versus McGrath'' on the epistles about the question of historicity or mythicism is a kind of unconscious laboratory experiment where both sides roughly simulate the real historical contenders of Paul's legacy (even if obviously their historical subject of contention was not a ''mythical versus historical Jesus'' in the Epistles, but a ''docetic/gnostic versus proto-catholic Jesus'').