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Re: RM Price 2009 review of David Trobisch's "First Edition.

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Stephan Huller wrote:I think the parallels between the two texts go back to one and the same historical account which agrees with neither account perfectly. If you'd like me to provide a list of parallels I can (there is also an article I published at Hermann Detering's site which I wrote while anxiously waiting for the birth of my son). But basically the similarities come down

1. Herod = Herodes Atticus in either narrative
2. the Christian martyr dies by fire
3. the fact that most of Irenaeus's references to Polycarp are anonymous ('presbyter') especially in material where he combats Florinus (Book 4)
4. the bird that comes out of the flames of the martyr's death
5. the association of both men with Ignatius's letters (see Lightfoot)
6. the reference to 'games' in either death
7. they operate in Asia Minor
8. they die in the same age (I think the death of Polycarp and Peregrinus are attributed with in a few years of one another)

There's more but I wrote this up on the fly
Here is that article:

http://radikalkritik.de/Huller_Peregrin.htm

I don't know, though. "Parallelomania" comes to mind. Without a coherent theory of transmission, along with substantial evidence of the connection, it's only so much whistling in the dark. What social setting or what literary purpose would recast Polycarp as Peregrinus or vice-versa? i.e., Why?
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Exploring the Connection: Ignatius and the Seraphim in Religious Texts

In the rich tapestry of religious terminology and nomenclature, names often carry deep symbolic meanings and historical roots that transcend languages and cultures. One such intriguing connection is between the name "Ignatius" and the Hebrew term "Seraphim." While at first glance, these might appear unrelated, a deeper look reveals a fascinating linguistic and symbolic correlation.

The Origin of Ignatius
The name Ignatius is derived from the Latin word "ignis," meaning "fire." It is a name that has been borne by several important figures in Christian history, most notably St. Ignatius of Loyola, the founder of the Jesuits, and St. Ignatius of Antioch, an early Christian martyr. The fiery connotation of the name is often interpreted as reflecting the fervent faith and passion of those who bear it.

Understanding Seraphim
In Hebrew, "Seraphim" (singular "Seraph"), mentioned in the Book of Isaiah in the Bible, are fiery celestial beings with six wings. They stand near the throne of God and are involved in worship and praise, constantly declaring the holiness of God. The word "Seraphim" itself comes from the root "ś-r-f," which means "to burn" or "to consume," indicating their fiery nature.

The Linguistic Link
The link between Ignatius and Seraphim primarily lies in their associations with fire. Both terms evoke the imagery of burning and consuming fire. In religious symbolism, fire often represents purification, transformation, and divine presence. Thus, both Ignatius, with its direct derivation from "fire," and the Seraphim, celestial beings of flame, symbolize potent spiritual presence and fervor.

Symbolic Significance
Beyond linguistics, the connection between Ignatius and Seraphim extends into the realm of spiritual symbolism. Both figures are seen as bearers of divine truth and wisdom, marked by a burning passion for God’s presence and a commitment to the divine mission. The fiery aspect of both Ignatius and the Seraphim highlights their role in spiritual purification and enlightenment, guiding souls towards divine truth.

Conclusion
While Ignatius is not the direct Latin equivalent of "Seraphim" in a literal sense, the shared imagery of fire provides a profound symbolic connection between the two. This connection enriches our understanding of religious names and their deep meanings, reminding us of the layered complexities within spiritual traditions. Ignatius and the Seraphim, both marked by celestial fire, serve as enduring symbols of divine zeal and the transformative power of faith.

This exploration invites further reflection on other names and terms in religious texts, encouraging a deeper appreciation of the interconnectedness of language, symbolism, and faith across different cultures and belief systems.
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