Josephus and the Star Prophecy: two points

[Japhethite]

The star of Bethhehem was "in the east" or "first rays of dawn". It says "we have seen His star". The messiah is the "bright and morning star" in Revelation/Apocalypse? (and "the day/morning star arises in your hearts" in 2 Peter?) "Morning star" can be either Venus, Jupiter, Mercury. The zodiac seems to have been the universal ancient calendar. ("A star will come out of Jacob", and Joseph's brothers "11 stars"?) The "star ascendant" seems good possible match for the star of Bethlehem? Genesis 1 says stars/mazzaroth for times & seasons.

[Japhethite]

All these things must be considered in looking to see if any historical match for the star or not: Cyrinus (10-7 bc, ad 6-7-12) & the census/indiction (12 bc, 8 bc (3x), 7 bc, (mass oath Aug) 3bc, ce/ad 6/7, 20, 34), the star (17, 12/11 bc (halley's), 9 bc, 7/6 bc (j&s in pisces), 6 bc, 5 bc, 3 bc, 3-2 bc (j&v etc), 2 bc, 1 ad), Herod's eclipse, Herod('s death) (40-4/1 bc), Augustus (19 bc -14 ad), the start of age of Pisces / end of Aries, the time took for Herod's temple building (46 yrs).

[Japhethite]

Though, the bible isn't clear if (the census of) Cyrinus and Jesus birth were same year, and/or the star was only certainly visible as late as 2 years after JC's birth (though it says Herod learned from the "magi" what time the star appeared). (Also, Jesus was "about 30 y.o." in 15th yr of Tiberias. But that "about 30" could be anywhere between 25 to 39, and/or scholars assert that there is uncertainty about the dating of emperors regnal years. Psalms 22:30 (and Isaiah 53:8 possibly imply Messiah lived for a generation, and John 8 says "not yet 50 y.o.", but a generation can be either 30 years (Gen 11) or 40 years, and/or it is possible it could include tribulation?) It has been plausibly suggested that Jesus was born at/during feast of tabernacles, and at the time of year when the shepherds/sheep were outside.

[Japhethite]

People who have been connected with a/the star include Julius Caesar (death, temple of the comet star, Caesar's comet), Jesus Christ (birth), Vespasian, Bar Kokhba (name/messiah-ship), Uther Pendragon (accession).

[Japhethite]

(Sorry, i see that perhaps the star of Bethelehem/Jesus is not necessarily the same topic as the star come out of Jacob. Though to my mind the point of whether the Jesus one is authentic or not is relevant.)

[Japhethite]

Alright, after a bit more light research it looks like the star of Vespasian was Halley's comet of 66 ad. Thats for Giuseppe.

It seems that DC Hindley was right that the Jupiter & Saturn conjunctions may have been abit far apart and not significant in Sippar records.

[Japhethite]

For the most likely candidate for the star of Bethlehem it looks like the Jupiter & Regulus conjunctions in Leo of 3-2 bc is the most likely. Leo would be Lion of Judah, Regulus is the King/Sceptre. Among possible problems though is that some sources say it was in the west/sunset [not the east/sunrise/dawn?], and it means that the alternative Herod's death date of 1 bc theory must be correct. I'll try post the list of star events for reference.

[Japhethite]

- 63 bc "pubic portent" (birth of Augustus)?
- 44 bc Caesar's comet.
[- 17 bce comet?]
- Halleys 12/11 bc Aug 25th 56/63 days China?
- conjunction Uranus & Saturn 9 bc?

[Japhethite]

- conjunction of (mars &) Jupiter & Saturn (3 x in Pisces) 5 months in ((20th/end Feb, Apr 12th), 20/21/29th May, sep/(2)3rd Oct, 4th Dec, (end Jan)) 7/6 bc/{7 bce/feb 6 bce}?
- double occultation of Jupiter by Moon close to sun in Aries 17 april 6bc? / ((sun &) jupiter & moon & saturn in aries (ven & mar in neighbour constellations) 6/17 apr 6 bc.)
- conjunction Uranus & Venus 6 bc?
- object/comet/nova 5 bc (70 days, China/Korea)? comet with no tail that didn't move 4 bc (korean)?
/ - comet & conjunction several planets in pisces ca 4bc (dss)?

[Japhethite]

- lunar eclipse 13/15 mar 4 bc?
(- conjunction of Venus & Saturn (in eastern sky) in 12 Jun 3 bc?)
(- conjunction of Jupiter and Venus in Leo in 12th Aug 3 bc?)
- conjunction Venus & Mercury 31 aug 3 bc?
[7 conjunctions Jupiter & Regulus 3-2 bc?]
- conjunction of Jupiter & Regulus in Leo (1st of 3x over 8 mo) between 14 Sept 3 bc & Jun 2 bc?
/ - conjunction of Jupiter & Venus near Regulus in Leo in [West at] sunset in 17 Jun 2 bc?
- Venus rose to mark sceptre in Leo 18/20/24 aug 2 bc?
- Jupiter stationary 25 dec 2 bc
- jupiter & venus in virgo in sw [july 1 bc]?
- Venus rose in Aries 27 mar 1 ad?
- 2 & 1 supernovas (1 too low on horizon, kes 75, aquilae V603) [no date given in my source]? Difficult to date Nova near Andromeda?