Whatever happened to ... the "Journal of Higher Criticism"?

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Whatever happened to ... the "Journal of Higher Criticism"?

Post by Roger Pearse » Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:16 pm

Anybody remember this "journal", edited by Robert Price? Whatever happened to that?

Peter, you were involved with it at one time - what was it all about?

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Re: Whatever happened to ... the "Journal of Higher Criticis

Post by Ben C. Smith » Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:24 pm

Roger Pearse wrote:Anybody remember this "journal", edited by Robert Price? Whatever happened to that?
According to the website, which still exists, the Journal closed up shop in 2003. You can still read some of its articles there. I do not know why the Journal closed down.

It seems to have drawn its spirit and style from the likes of Baur and the Dutch Radicals. I myself have read only (many of) the articles still available online, finding a very mixed bag. Some are excellent; others leave me going, "Whaaaaaat?"
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Re: Whatever happened to ... the "Journal of Higher Criticis

Post by Peter Kirby » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:05 pm

There's this on Wikipedia:
During the journal's first decade, it was sponsored by The Theological School at Drew University,[citation needed] where associate editor Darrell J. Doughty taught. The final issue (volume 10, no. 2) appeared in Fall, 2003, shortly before Doughty's retirement.
These kinds of things get pushed along by individual men (or women). So when they stop pushing, it stops too.
Peter, you were involved with it at one time - what was it all about?
I don't know if I was involved... I wrote this in 2001 and delivered a condensed paper (yielding the floor to Lowder for the rebuttal to Craig, to avoid redundancy) based on it to that journal and to the book on the empty tomb edited by Price and Lowder.

http://infidels.org/library/modern/peter_kirby/tomb/

I always thought the internet presentation was superior, but, apart from Turkel (of apologetic fame), the response from others was almost entirely to the article in the context of the book.

I was a subscriber to JHC and had a few issues, but like most of my books they've been discarded in various moves. I imagine that a few of the articles are rather hard to find now.

I did keep an autographed copy of The Jesus Puzzle for sentimental value, though...
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Re: Whatever happened to ... the "Journal of Higher Criticis

Post by Roger Pearse » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:45 pm

I certainly have a copy of the Jesus Puzzle occupying space on my bookshelf. I wonder if a PDF exists? I was able to find an ePub on the web, but would rather have page scans. If anyone has one, would they pm me?

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Re: Whatever happened to ... the "Journal of Higher Criticism"?

Post by Jax » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:16 pm

I am attempting to find an article from the Journal of Higher Criticism: Rainer Reuter, ‘Introduction to Synoptic Work on the New Testament Epistles’, Journal of Higher Criticism 9.2 (Fall 2002), pp. 246-58 as listed in the bibliography of On the Historicity of Jesus by Richard Carrier http://www.richardcarrier.info/bibliogr ... Biblio.pdf Chapter 11, Section 1. But on the site https://depts.drew.edu/jhc/ I am unable to locate it. The archives end at JHC 9/1 (Spring 2002).
Does anyone know where I can find this paper?

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Re: Whatever happened to ... the "Journal of Higher Criticism"?

Post by DCHindley » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:43 pm

Jax wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:16 pm
I am attempting to find an article from the Journal of Higher Criticism: Rainer Reuter, ‘Introduction to Synoptic Work on the New Testament Epistles’, Journal of Higher Criticism 9.2 (Fall 2002), pp. 246-58 as listed in the bibliography of On the Historicity of Jesus by Richard Carrier http://www.richardcarrier.info/bibliogr ... Biblio.pdf Chapter 11, Section 1. But on the site https://depts.drew.edu/jhc/ I am unable to locate it. The archives end at JHC 9/1 (Spring 2002).
Does anyone know where I can find this paper?
When the journal shut down, they never even updated their web page. It's like one of those quirky museums that show you a replica of President Abraham Lincoln's bedroom just the way he left it the day he went to the theater. Drew maintains the pages as a legacy, similar to how Orion.org does with their old DSS discussion list. However, Orion at least maintained their site and did not leave any loose ends.

Weirdly enough, the two articles in that same issue (9.2) immediately preceding the one you are interested in are actually available at the JHC website you gave, as PDFs (https://depts.drew.edu/jhc/PriceSchleiermacher.pdf & https://depts.drew.edu/jhc/Derrett_Descended.pdf). Darryl D perhaps did not think that the article was close enough to his heart to justify posting an archived version of the article. However, you may find it there by experimenting with possible file names. For all we know, issue 9.2 was never formally published, and circulated among practitioners of the craft as offset copies/scans of the printer's proofs. It would not be the first time ...

Those crazy biblical critics! Whoo ha ha! :cheeky:

From what I can make of other folks who cite this article by Reuter, it has mostly to do with comparison of the overlapping sections of Ephesians and Colossians.

Regarding the comparison of the Ephesians/Colossians overlap, I have created a "synoptic" comparison that has been posted on this board in the past (Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:42 pm):
http://www.earlywritings.com/forum/view ... ians#p5930

If this is something you want to take a look at and comment upon, let me know and I'll post it here or on a brand spanking new thread.

DCH

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Re: Whatever happened to ... the "Journal of Higher Criticism"?

Post by Stuart » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:57 pm

It was Dr. Darrell Doughty's project at Drew. He retired and has since passed away. Robert Price, his partner in the project, has gone on to obscure fame as Bible Geek. So it is no more. But through it I have met some friends.
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Re: Whatever happened to ... the "Journal of Higher Criticism"?

Post by perseusomega9 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:28 am

I vaguely recall on the Bible Geek Price mentioned something about some authors no longer giving permission and that's why you can't find some articles online at the legacy JHC...vaguely

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Re: Whatever happened to ... the "Journal of Higher Criticism"?

Post by DCHindley » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:38 am

perseusomega9 wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:28 am
I vaguely recall on the Bible Geek Price mentioned something about some authors no longer giving permission and that's why you can't find some articles online at the legacy JHC...vaguely
That may be true. Them wer' days of excited exchanges, and some of the authors perhaps had regrets. Still, to leave out the final issue from the summary of articles on the legacy web page seems a bit odd, especially since a couple of the articles ended up on the *NEW* article section of the home page. It still seems like it was "business as usual" until *BAM* the project was halted in mid-effort. It's like the bank came in, froze the assets, etc.

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Re: Whatever happened to ... the "Journal of Higher Criticism"?

Post by Jax » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:29 am

DCHindley wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:43 pm
Jax wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:16 pm
I am attempting to find an article from the Journal of Higher Criticism: Rainer Reuter, ‘Introduction to Synoptic Work on the New Testament Epistles’, Journal of Higher Criticism 9.2 (Fall 2002), pp. 246-58 as listed in the bibliography of On the Historicity of Jesus by Richard Carrier http://www.richardcarrier.info/bibliogr ... Biblio.pdf Chapter 11, Section 1. But on the site https://depts.drew.edu/jhc/ I am unable to locate it. The archives end at JHC 9/1 (Spring 2002).
Does anyone know where I can find this paper?
When the journal shut down, they never even updated their web page. It's like one of those quirky museums that show you a replica of President Abraham Lincoln's bedroom just the way he left it the day he went to the theater. Drew maintains the pages as a legacy, similar to how Orion.org does with their old DSS discussion list. However, Orion at least maintained their site and did not leave any loose ends.

Weirdly enough, the two articles in that same issue (9.2) immediately preceding the one you are interested in are actually available at the JHC website you gave, as PDFs (https://depts.drew.edu/jhc/PriceSchleiermacher.pdf & https://depts.drew.edu/jhc/Derrett_Descended.pdf). Darryl D perhaps did not think that the article was close enough to his heart to justify posting an archived version of the article. However, you may find it there by experimenting with possible file names. For all we know, issue 9.2 was never formally published, and circulated among practitioners of the craft as offset copies/scans of the printer's proofs. It would not be the first time ...

Those crazy biblical critics! Whoo ha ha! :cheeky:

From what I can make of other folks who cite this article by Reuter, it has mostly to do with comparison of the overlapping sections of Ephesians and Colossians.

Regarding the comparison of the Ephesians/Colossians overlap, I have created a "synoptic" comparison that has been posted on this board in the past (Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:42 pm):
http://www.earlywritings.com/forum/view ... ians#p5930

If this is something you want to take a look at and comment upon, let me know and I'll post it here or on a brand spanking new thread.

DCH
Hi DCHindley, thank you for your reply to my question.

It is weird that the article in question is missing from between the two others.

"From what I can make of other folks who cite this article by Reuter, it has mostly to do with comparison of the overlapping sections of Ephesians and Colossians."

I was under the impression that the paper concerned the nature of the authentic letters of Paul being collections of letter fragments. From the notes of OHJ page 511.

"Many scholars suspect the letters to the Corinthians, Galatians, Phlippians and Thessalonians are likewise mishmashes of what were originally multiple letters (and not necessarily to the same destinations), and that some letters are redactions of others: see Rainer Reuter, ‘Introduction to Synoptic Work on the New Testament Epistles’, Journal
of Higher Criticism 9.2 (Fall 2002), pp. 246-58; Philip Sellew, ‘“Laodiceans” and the Philippians Fragments Hypothesis’, Harvard
Theological Review 87 (January 1994), pp. 17-28; etc."

I understand that the JHC is saved at the Library of Congress and so will make a request of a librarian for the paper.

And actually, if you or anyone else here has links to articles relating to the Pauline letters being multiple letters I would love to read them. By any chance is there a older thread here on this subject?

Thank you.

Jax

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