JoeWallack wrote:Yes, a literary function. A tribute (so to speak) to Paul I think. Paul as possible source should always be on the Wordmeister's list:
Ben C. Smith wrote:Do you (or Kunigunde) happen to have a handy list of such potential Paulinisms in Mark?
Okay, a jogging of my memory followed by a bit of searching produces this thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=412. I will have to do some reading to see how complete it is.
Not very complete, it turns out. I know I have seen many other correspondences noted on this very forum, let alone in other contexts. There is also this from Bernard: http://historical-jesus.info/66.html. But it highlights only four or five in all.
Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote:It seems that my question can't be decided. But there may be some interesting points. For example, I think that the Dura-Europos Gospel can be read without problem in that way.
day of preparation = day associated with the activity
preparation = activity
Sabbath = day
Pro-Sabbaton (before-Sabbath) = preparation = activity in the last hours (evening) before the Sabbath
Didache 8.1:
1 Αἱ δὲ νηστεῖαι ὑμῶν μὴ ἔστωσαν μετὰ τῶν ὑποκριτῶν· νηστεύουσι γὰρ δευτέρᾳ σαββάτων καὶ πέμπτῃ· ὑμεῖς δὲ νηστεύσατε τετράδα καὶ παρασκευήν. / 1 But as for your fasts, let them not be with the hypocrites; for they fast on the second and fifth of the week, but you, you fast the fourth and preparation.
Clement of Alexandria, Miscellanies 7.12:
οἶδεν αὐτὸς καὶ τῆς νηστείας τὰ αἰνίγματα τῶν ἡμερῶν τούτων, τῆς τετράδος καὶ τῆς παρασκευῆς λέγω. / [The gnostic] himself knows also the enigmas of the fasting of those days, I mean the fourth and the preparation.
Clement's wording is an exact match with the Didascalia ; or, Faith of the 318 Fathers, a work embodying the Nicene Creed with an interpretation or commentary and a list of rules and regulations for priests and monks http://khazarzar.skeptik.net/pgm/PG_Mig ... enorum.pdf
“Finally, from so little sleeping and so much reading, his brain dried up and he went completely out of his mind.”
― Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, Don Quixote
Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote:1) current problem Mark 12:42
And having come one poor widow cast two “lepta” which is (ὅ ἐστιν) „kodrantes (quadrans)” ...
Ben and I discussed that there was no ancient coin with the name “lepton”. It is just an adjective meaning "small". In the ancient sources before Mark it is used as an adjective with a noun, in the sense of a “small or light or thin” coin. It means simply “two smalls”. It could be some kind of slang or it could be that Mark did not wish to specify the two coins of the widow.
W. Weiser & H. M. Cotton ("Gebt dem Kaiser, was des Kaisers ist ...", Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik 114 [1996] 237–287) list 15 Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek papyrii with such a juxtaposition as in Mark, all from Judaea, Nabatene and Syria
(It could be also a good argument that Mark came from the Near East )
Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote:1) current problem Mark 12:42
And having come one poor widow cast two “lepta” which is (ὅ ἐστιν) „kodrantes (quadrans)” ...
Ben and I discussed that there was no ancient coin with the name “lepton”. It is just an adjective meaning "small". In the ancient sources before Mark it is used as an adjective with a noun, in the sense of a “small or light or thin” coin. It means simply “two smalls”. It could be some kind of slang or it could be that Mark did not wish to specify the two coins of the widow.
W. Weiser & H. M. Cotton ("Gebt dem Kaiser, was des Kaisers ist ...", Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik 114 [1996] 237–287) list 15 Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek papyrii with such a juxtaposition as in Mark, all from Judaea, Nabatene and Syria
What is the exact juxtaposition of which you speak? Is it lepta with quadrantes? Or...?
The term „blacks“ seems to be a derogative Koine slang for silver coins from Nabatene, named “selaim”. There is archaeological evidence that the selaim were such “black” coins with a relative low ratio of silver (50 percent) and a relative high ratio of copper.
Ben C. Smith wrote:What is the exact juxtaposition of which you speak? Is it lepta with quadrantes? Or...?
Yes. These papyrii are often juridical or financial documents. The mention of two different currencies had the function to fix the value. On the one side was the domestic currency and on the other side a foreign currency, often Greek or Roman.
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