Charles Wilson wrote:Thank you, iskander. Interesting that at around 41 min. mark, "...the ten utterances...the book of ___________". What got edited out?
Note: My suggestion is not whimsical but is an interpretation that on the floor of the Temple, before the Temple Slaughter at Passover, there were people who were supposed to "Watch" for trouble. The child Peter may have been one of these. As the Tension builds and the Sacrifices find people "streaming into the Temple area" (Josephus), a decision is made - "Order in the Troops". It occurs during the Fourth Watch. The "Fourth Watch" is a Roman term! Jewish Soldiers had 3 watches.
The Watch failed. This is the purpose of the Markan quote. See the mis-named Story of "The Ten Maidens" in Matthew 25. The decision is that sudden and that final. The children are asleep (or kept from participating) and unable to warn the Priests. It is here, as Peter suddenly becomes aware of the Atrocity that the child runs to the door at Antonia and denies "Jesus" as a Massacre is going on on the other side of the door (Note: You would have done the same. "Jesus" would have denied knowing Jesus...). Hence, "Jesus of Guardtown". The Intentionality of the event becomes Transvalued.
Thank you,
CW
Heretics in the history of religious people.
Yerushalmi Berakhot
The Talmud of the Land of Israel
Tractate Blessings http://halakhah.com/yerushalmi_berakhot ... y_2010.pdf
Page 56
"[F] [F-J discusses the practice of not reciting the verses of the Ten Commandments and the story of Balaam.] R. Matna and R. Samuel bar Nahman said, “By rights they should recite the verses of the Ten Commandments every day. And why do they not do so? On account of the claims of the heretics. So that people should not have any cause to say that only these [Ten Commandments] were given to Moses on Mount Sinai.” http://www.chabad.org/library/article_c ... ter-11.htm
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_c ... ter-11.htm
Halacha 4
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"Jesus of Nazareth who aspired to be the Mashiach and was executed by the court was also alluded to in Daniel's prophecies, as ibid. 11:14 states: 'The vulgar among your people shall exalt themselves in an attempt to fulfill the vision, but they shall stumble.'"
"Dykstra introduces his argument by pointing out how curiously uninterested the author of the Gospel of Mark is in the contents of Jesus’ teachings. Jesus is said to teach with authority and crowds are said to be impressed with his teachings but exactly what he taught in the synagogues or to those who crowded around to hear him in a house is left unsaid. Jesus does teach a lot of parables warning hearers of the consequences of not believing the gospel but the content of that gospel, the detail of what they must believe, is never stated. About the only teaching Mark’s Jesus is said to have delivered is little more than “Keep the commandments”." http://vridar.org/category/book-reviews ... r-of-paul/
Orthodox interpretation from , secret of the sacrifices
The universe is like the human body . The human body comprises many interdependent parts; so, too , of all existence is interconnected and interdependent, from the smallest insect in the depths of the earth to the supernal intellects . (i. e. angels, etc. ). There isn't even a blade of grass that does not have a mazal in heavens that encounters it and makes it grow .
But the creation is not capable of drawing enough sustenance from above naturally, so God has caused that the supernal intellects ( i. e. angels) be dependent upon the deeds of the human.
The second temple had an elaborate sacrificial ritual for auricular confession of sins and the redeeming killing of unblemished animals and in so doing obtain forgiveness from a merciful and just God. This daily ritual was run by a priestly caste with the support of the governing authorities for the benefit of the chosen people. This is the model chosen by the medieval Roman Catholic Church; the daily Catholic Mass and the doctrines of the two swords and extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The Temple atoning ritual had achieved forgiveness, but the dead remain impure. Like the temporal penance of the forgiven faithful in the Roman Catholic Church. In both cases the impurity of the forgiven ones consists of the behaviour of matter mixed with a soul :that is because of being a spiritual animal, being human.
The process of removing the impure energies associated with eating, drinking for bodily pleasure --those energies are removed to purify the soul.
Purgatory. The sin of Adam
Chibut hakever
We have explained the matter of chibut hakever previously. We have also mentioned that, as a result of the sin of Adam, http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_ ... er-235.htm
kaf hakela
(lit."The hollow of a sling") process of purgatory https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries ... .cgi?n=537
Gehinom
The soul goes to be purified and cleansed in Gehinom, until it is ready to don the garments created by the performance of actual mitzvot.
DCHindley wrote:I have now read through 4 pages of posts, and I still have no idea what you are trying to say ...
That Christianity was a Jewish sect, and that a character like Jesus is easily explained as being one Jewish heretic. His heresy modified the Jewish liturgy in the first century and he died convicted of heresy and executed by the lay power, as Jan Hus died many years later.
Patristic writings are only a development of his heresy and ...
He was not a weirdo ... but a Jewish religious man , very ordinary and normal in his time ...
DCHindley wrote:I have now read through 4 pages of posts, and I still have no idea what you are trying to say ...
That Christianity was a Jewish sect, and that a character like Jesus is easily explained as being one Jewish heretic. His heresy modified the Jewish liturgy in the first century and he died convicted of heresy and executed by the lay power, as Jan Hus died many years later.
Patristic writings are only a development of his heresy and ...
He was not a weirdo ... but a Jewish religious man , very ordinary and normal in his time ...
I dunno. I mean, I understand the opinion of many Jews as to what Jesus must have been like, but I don't think that we have to assume he was a "heretic" monkeying with the liturgy. I think both the definition of heresy and even the liturgy itself were fixed later than the 1st century CE, so in a way it is a little archaic.
Yeshu HaNotzri preached that only the Ten Commandments were given to Moshe at Sinai, The rest of the Written Torah and also the Oral Torah were not given out by God..That is said in the episode in of the Rich Man in Mark. The Torah , written and oral Torah, was an invention of men. This heresy was a mortal threat to Judaism as it then existed, and forced the ' management' to modify the existing liturgy in order to minimize the impact on the faithful.
The heresy is presented in Mark and the followers of the new teaching were mapping out a new path in the history of Man and God, The new way of pleasing God was called The Way, and it will eventually develop into Christianity.
Who are the people of "The Way"? What do they want?
The reformers loathe the sale of the mercy of God :The Cleansing of the Temple is an act of violence against the power of the temple .
In Mark 10:17-19 we find more information about the religious programme of the reformers:
Mark 10:17-19
17 As he was setting out on a journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, ‘Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?’ 18Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. 19You know the commandments: “You shall not murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; You shall not defraud; Honour your father and mother
The question the man had asked was: , "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
Jesus replies, to inherit eternal life you must follow the teaching of God , for He is the only good teacher. Let no man deceive you. The Decalogue is your guide.
The reformer ignores the atoning sacrifice of the temple and the commandments ordained by the priesthood of the temple ; instead, the reformer warns him against the Oral Law and he insists that only the Decalogue comes from God and hence keeping the 10 statements, utterances of God is the way to the Kingdom of Heaven.
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http://www.bmv.org.il/shiurim/tamid/tam05.html
Jewish liturgy before Yeshu HaNotzri recited the ten commandments before any other prayer in the morning service. This prayer was dropped to protect the power of the management. This change was not a trivial one.
The importance and the timing of this liturgical change is explained in these videos, already referred to in this thread,
A summary is given here , of the heresy
Heretics in the history of religious people.
Yerushalmi Berakhot
The Talmud of the Land of Israel
Tractate Blessings http://halakhah.com/yerushalmi_berakhot ... y_2010.pdf
Page 56
"[F] [F-J discusses the practice of not reciting the verses of the Ten Commandments and the story of Balaam.] R. Matna and R. Samuel bar Nahman said, “By rights they should recite the verses of the Ten Commandments every day. And why do they not do so? On account of the claims of the heretics. So that people should not have any cause to say that only these [Ten Commandments] were given to Moses on Mount Sinai.”
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_c ... ter-11.htm
Halacha 4
...
"Jesus of Nazareth who aspired to be the Mashiach and was executed by the court was also alluded to in Daniel's prophecies, as ibid. 11:14 states: 'The vulgar among your people shall exalt themselves in an attempt to fulfill the vision, but they shall stumble.'"
How Is Killing an Animal a Spiritual Experience.? ' Nothing could be more elevating for the animal and its soul as to be sacrificed in the temple ... in lieu of yourself'
