Carrier And Mimesis

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MrMacSon wrote: (I haven't seen Zeitgeist, so I dunno what it's about).
AchryaS work in a multi part vid series by tinfoil hat wearing clowns
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To say that the NT is a ' mimetic' imitation of the Odyssey is an ' ante-mimetic' fantasy.
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MrMacSon wrote: Hellenism had been happening for a couple of centuries, at least, before there was a mid-late 1st century to early 2nd century Judaic/Jewish diaspora.
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Yes but they had not divorced cultural Judaism as of that time did they? or even try.


And to say the NT authors used "the OT text as it was the foundation of the movement they were trying to persuade others to join" is bizarre.
It is a fact MrMacSon, not bizzare.


Christianity is the Hellenistic divorce of a perverted Proselyte Judaism, from the oppressed people who were real cultural Israelite Jews viewed by Romans as rebellious trouble makers.


That is why we have the NT.


That is also why you hold no credibility in your personal examples of the origins of Christianity.
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outhouse wrote:
MrMacSon wrote: Here is what Macdonald has said -
Like Odysseus, Jesus is a wise carpenter who suffers many
things and sails on the sea with associates who are foolish and even treacherous.
There is no comparison here. Carpenter is also a severe mistake on his part.

The usage of tekton in the NT is one of embarrassment as later authors try and hide the original statement made by earlier authors.
" a severe mistake on his part" - the athor of Mark? who probably wasn't the disciple Mark?

Unless he was also a disciple of Eusebius?

outhouse wrote: Jesus being a peasant and teaching in a few Aramaic villages in Galilee and then making a trip to the temple where he is crucified under Pilate
So the legend says. or should I have said myth rather than legend?

outhouse wrote: ... paralleled by mania ...
bwahahahahaha Have you read what Macdonald wrote? - http://iac.cgu.edu/drm/My_Turn.pdf

outhouse wrote: while ignoring completely the fact Hellenist had more importance on Judaism
Your grammar is atrocious.
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iskander wrote:To say that the NT is a ' mimetic' imitation of the Odyssey is an ' ante-mimetic' fantasy.
No-one is saying *the NT* is a ' mimetic' imitation of the Odyssey.
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MrMacSon wrote: Your grammar is atrocious.
As are your conclusions and assertions.
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MrMacSon wrote:
iskander wrote:To say that the NT is a ' mimetic' imitation of the Odyssey is an ' ante-mimetic' fantasy.
No-one is saying *the NT* is a ' mimetic' imitation of the Odyssey.
Only Mark? It is then a trivial remark not worth spending time on it.
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MrMacSon wrote: Unless he was also a disciple of Eusebius?
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Drinking mountain mans coffee way out in left field again ?

the athor of Mark? who probably wasn't the disciple Mark?
The unknown authors/redactors/community who compiled Mark ?
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outhouse wrote: Christianity is the Hellenistic divorce of a perverted Proselyte Judaism, from the oppressed people who were real cultural Israelite Jews; viewed by Romans as rebellious trouble makers.
It's not as simple as the few premises implied by that sentence.

Yes, there had been Hellenism. Yes, there had been rebellion. Yes, there had been oppression.

But to say 'divorce, or imply "the oppressed people were real cultural Israelite Jews" is way too simplistic.

Yes, the stories that became part of the NT probably originated in regions where there were a lot of Jewish diaspora, but there is a lot more to it than the stuff that the outhouse excretes.
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iskander wrote:To say that the NT is a ' mimetic' imitation of the Odyssey is an ' ante-mimetic' fantasy.
MrMacSon wrote: No-one is saying 'the NT' in [it's entirety] is a 'mimetic' imitation of the Odyssey.
iskander wrote: Only Mark? It* is then a trivial remark not worth spending time on it.
* Depends on what you mean by 'it'.

If you mean *it* is not worth spending time on someone trolling this thread with simple vague posts, as you are, you are right.
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