Does anyone have knowledge of this article? or commentary about it? -
Fernando Bermejo-Rubio (2013) 'Why is John the Baptist Used as a Foil for Jesus? Leaps of Faith and Oblique Anti-Judaism in Contemporary Scholarship' Journal for the Study of the Historical Jesus Vol. 11, Issue 2; pp. 170–196.
Abstract -
Despite the existence of some differences between John the Baptist and Jesus the Galilean, there is no compelling evidence allowing us to infer that they were significantly contrasting characters, even less to postulate any significant opposition between them: the available sources are witnesses to the striking similarities in their messages, their radical personalities, their destinies, and their reception by their contemporaries. The widespread scholarly discourse of a considerable discontinuity between these two preachers of Second Temple Judaism is accordingly unwarranted and unreliable. What is even worse, there are reasons to suspect that the use of John the Baptist as a foil for Jesus might be the last Christian avatar of the centuries-long tendency consisting of contrasting Jesus to Judaism.
MrMacSon wrote:Does anyone have knowledge of this article? or commentary about it? -
Fernando Bermejo-Rubio (2013) 'Why is John the Baptist Used as a Foil for Jesus? Leaps of Faith and Oblique Anti-Judaism in Contemporary Scholarship' Journal for the Study of the Historical Jesus Vol. 11, Issue 2; pp. 170–196.
Abstract -
Despite the existence of some differences between John the Baptist and Jesus the Galilean, there is no compelling evidence allowing us to infer that they were significantly contrasting characters, even less to postulate any significant opposition between them: the available sources are witnesses to the striking similarities in their messages, their radical personalities, their destinies, and their reception by their contemporaries. The widespread scholarly discourse of a considerable discontinuity between these two preachers of Second Temple Judaism is accordingly unwarranted and unreliable. What is even worse, there are reasons to suspect that the use of John the Baptist as a foil for Jesus might be the last Christian avatar of the centuries-long tendency consisting of contrasting Jesus to Judaism.
What does he expect? They should be similar, one taught the other, and the way the later Hellenist authors would have gathered traditions, they could not have known which was Jesus or John as JOHN would have taught Jesus all his work, and Jesus would have repeated it.
But there is a large change in Jesus movement, he took his message to the road, because he knew gathering large crowds at the river meant he head would be hacked off. So Jesus movement became a traveling show in Aramaic villages where his message would be accepted with more open arms. Out of the Hellenist cities that would report back to Antipas.
typical blah blah blah from you - you're like a fog-horn (with as much fog as horn)
Must not be able to refute a word I stated.
Both of these figures exist in literature, sticking your fingers in your ears while typical for many mythicist confronted with hard questions, is not what we expect from you.
You need to be able to explain why they were written as IS, or find another hobby.
MrMacSon wrote:Polemic theology due to Jewish upheaval, coupled with increasing paganism, and Roman-aided to distill Jewish zealotry.
The exact opposite of how Christianity formed.
Christianity is factually the divorce of Hellenistic Proselyte Judaism from cultural Judaism.
There is pagan influence, but that is the context of such.
Their was no Roman aid to distill Zealotry. There were however authors who were forced to downplay to Galilean origins as these Hellenist did not want to be identified as a dirty rebellious Jew despite being stuck with a Galilean messiah.
Polemic theology also is in there, but not foundational beyond divorcing cultural Judaism
When traveling one would worship the gods of the place you arrived at. A text discusses people giving obeisance to the gods of the emperor and how to punish people who did not.
Not worshipping the local gods was incredibly rude and anti social and in some way treacherous behaviour.
And what explanation was given for this extremely rude behaviour? I follow the true God and your gods are rubbish?
"We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
Clive wrote:
When traveling one would worship the gods of the place you arrived at. A text discusses people giving obeisance to the gods of the emperor and how to punish people who did not.
Not worshipping the local gods was incredibly rude and anti social and in some way treacherous behaviour.
That's interesting - it may explain change in religion of the Jewish Diaspora.
