Parallels between Mark 6.14-29 and the Esther traditions.

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Re: Parallels between Mark 6.14-29 and the Esther traditions

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John2 wrote:There might be some discussion of the Karaite view of the Shekhinah here but I can't see if there are any responses to the person's question because I don't use Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/NehemiaGordon/ ... 7392293629

That's all I can find, and I'm not into this kind of thinking in any event.
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I wonder if anyone says anything about the Shekhinah and the Shiloh Temple. I haven't found anything yet.
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Also, iskander, could you elaborate on Baruch Spinoza being your teacher? I've never read anything by him.
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I know we're getting off topic a bit, and if it needs to be in another thread that's fine, but I was curious if the Dead Sea Scrolls mention the Shekhinah, and some think it may be in, of all things, the Copper Scroll (col. 12).

https://books.google.com/books?id=A2ivA ... ll&f=false

This is the only online translation of the Copper Scroll I've been able to find so far while I'm at work, and it's not apparent here. I wouldn't mind seeing more opinions about this (and a good image of the Hebrew).

http://jewishchristianlit.com/Texts/StudTxts/3Q15.html
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John2 wrote:I know we're getting off topic a bit, and if it needs to be in another thread that's fine, but I was curious if the Dead Sea Scrolls mention the Shekhinah, and some think it may be in, of all things, the Copper Scroll (col. 12).

https://books.google.com/books?id=A2ivA ... ll&f=false

This is the only online translation of the Copper Scroll I've been able to find so far while I'm at work, and it's not apparent here. I wouldn't mind seeing more opinions about this (and a good image of the Hebrew).

http://jewishchristianlit.com/Texts/StudTxts/3Q15.html
Florentino García Martínez & Eibert Tigchelaar have the following:

10 בשית שבינח בצפון כחלת פתחא צפון

10 In the tunnel which is in ynḥ, to the North of Koḥlit, which opens towards the North....

Obviously tunnel = cavern. I think your source is interpreting the word in red as שכנה (shekinah).
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Thanks, Ben. Lot to chew on here.
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John2 wrote:Plus there were 143 coins from the time of Alexander Janneaus found at Qumran vs. twelve from all the other Maccabees combined.

https://books.google.com/books?id=i2i5h ... us&f=false
Janneus minted a great number of fractional copper/bronze/brass coins, apparently in an attempt to - at least partially - monetize the Judean economy. I do not think this had anything to do with taxation, as taxes are usually paid in kind (grains) anyways, and certainly not with fractional coins. He may have wanted Judeans under his rule to be able to easily make small transactions, to facilitate movement of common goods like plates, cups, utensils, craft art like furnishings, jewelry, and distribution of imported goods like wine and aromatics/spices. IIRC, Janneus also minted a lot of silver coins. There are some coins, usually silver, minted by later Hasmoneans, but I do not believe that there were a lot of fractional coins minted by these later kings, possibly only those minted for short periods to diffuse specific local shortages.

Herod the Great left the previously minted fractional coins in circulation, but I believe also minted his own. Herod never officially minted silver money, unless the local minting of "Tyrian" silver coins from 19 BCE onwards used in temple commerce is considered to be under his authority. IMO, it was the Temple authorities who were minting them, with Roman approval arranged for by Herod on the conditions that Herod never mint silver money under his name and that the actual location of the mint be disguised by reviving a series formerly minted by the then closed mint in Tyre.

I think that Antigonus Matthias II also minted a large number of fractional coins, as well as silver money, but probably did so IMHO, as a propaganda platform to help prevent Herod the former Roman procurator from seating himself as a king, when there was a perfectly good Hasmonean prince available.

But stuff like this really deserves its own independent thread.

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John2 wrote:Also, iskander, could you elaborate on Baruch Spinoza being your teacher? I've never read anything by him.
http://lf-oll.s3.amazonaws.com/titles/1 ... k_v6.0.pdf
Benedict de Spinoza, The Chief Works of Benedict de Spinoza, vol 1 (Tractatus-Theologico-Politicus, Tractatus Politicus) [1670]


Spinoza is my teacher because I read his work many, many years ago and I made a point of remembering and applying his way of looking into things.
Capter VII On the interpretation of Scriptures, is a sample of his approach.


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http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/spino ... noza-vol-2
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Ben wrote:
Florentino García Martínez & Eibert Tigchelaar have the following:


10 בשית שבינח בצפון כחלת פתחא צפון

10 In the tunnel which is in ynḥ, to the North of Koḥlit, which opens towards the North....

Obviously tunnel = cavern. I think your source is interpreting the word in red as שכנה (shekinah).
I'd like to see a good image of column 12 of the Copper Scroll. It's hard to tell which column is which in the images of the Copper Scroll I've seen online so far, and it looks like there is some debate over whether there is a yod in שבינח or not and if the second letter is a bet or a kaf.

And the book I linked to above has a heh for the last letter and Martinez and Tigchelaar have a chet.
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It looks like there is a yod and heh in this transliteration (or transcription).

https://books.google.com/books?id=U29zA ... II&f=false
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