Arguments concerning the Testimonium Taciteum.

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Re: Arguments concerning the Testimonium Taciteum.

Post by Giuseppe » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:56 am

Ben C. Smith wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:30 am
However, on the surface of things, Julian appears to be referring to contemporaries of Tiberius and Claudius. What are the arguments in favor of the other meaning?
The fact that Cyrill could (and had) quote just the Testimonium Taciteum against Julian's insistence on the absolute insignificance of Jesus among the writers at that time.

But Cyrill didn't.

Here the Argument from Silence is particularly strong.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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Re: Arguments concerning the Testimonium Taciteum.

Post by arnoldo » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:15 pm

Regarding the meaning of the Emperor Julian’s writing in the following passage;
It is, I think, expedient to set forth to all mankind the reasons by which I was convinced that the fabrication of the Galilaeans is a fiction of men composed by wickedness. Though it has in it nothing divine, by making full use of that part of the soul which loves fable and is childish and foolish, it has induced men to believe that the monstrous tale is truth.
http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/julia ... 1_text.htm

Does the phrase “fabrication of the Galileans” indicate that Galileans created the fabrication or possibly non-galileans (romans?) created a fabrication about Galileans?

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