In summa Paul likely knew of a written new Testament canon.One passage that I think contains a number of intriguing clues is 2 Cor 3:14 when Paul says, “When they read the Old Covenant, that same veil remains unlifted.”
Often overlooked in this passage is that Paul understands a covenant to be something that you read. In other words, for Paul (and his audience) covenants are understood to be written documents.
A Conservative Scholar's Discovery -> Marcionite Priority
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A Conservative Scholar's Discovery -> Marcionite Priority
http://michaeljkruger.com/a-curious-clu ... ment-canon
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“Finally, from so little sleeping and so much reading, his brain dried up and he went completely out of his mind.”
― Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, Don Quixote
― Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, Don Quixote
Re: A Conservative Scholar's Argument for Marcionite Priorit
Does Kruger argue for Marcionite priority somewhere? (It's certainly not in the blog you've linked to, where he says nothing whatsoever about Marcion.)Secret Alias wrote:http://michaeljkruger.com/a-curious-clu ... ment-canon
In summa Paul likely knew of a written new Testament canon.One passage that I think contains a number of intriguing clues is 2 Cor 3:14 when Paul says, “When they read the Old Covenant, that same veil remains unlifted.”
Often overlooked in this passage is that Paul understands a covenant to be something that you read. In other words, for Paul (and his audience) covenants are understood to be written documents.
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Re: A Conservative Scholar's Argument for Marcionite Priorit
No of course not. He doesn't see the implications of his discovery. Nevertheless it's there. Paul knew a written text of the gospel (for what other Christian text could have used as the basis of a new covenant). It has to be the gospel, the gospel juxtaposed against the Pentateuch.
“Finally, from so little sleeping and so much reading, his brain dried up and he went completely out of his mind.”
― Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, Don Quixote
― Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, Don Quixote
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Re: A Conservative Scholar's Argument for Marcionite Priorit
I personally take great pride in re-purposing discoveries. When someone you don't otherwise agree with says "A means B" and you can say "and B means C so A = C" that's a great argument.
“Finally, from so little sleeping and so much reading, his brain dried up and he went completely out of his mind.”
― Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, Don Quixote
― Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, Don Quixote
Re: A Conservative Scholar's Argument for Marcionite Priorit
So what's with the thread title then? It seems rather misleading, not to mention dishonest, considering there's no conservative scholar's argument for Marcionite priority coming from Kruger and the blog you've linked to.Secret Alias wrote:No of course not.
Re: A Conservative Scholar's Argument for Marcionite Priorit
I would also add: How exactly does a NT canon at the time of Paul support a claim for Marcionite priority? Or are you proposing a broader revision of history? Marcion preceded Paul?
Re: A Conservative Scholar's Argument for Marcionite Priorit
Nathan wrote:
I would also add: How exactly does a NT canon at the time of Paul support a claim for Marcionite priority? Or are you proposing a broader revision of history? Marcion preceded Paul?
- or Paul was concurrent to or overlapped with Marcion. See RM Price's The Amazing Colossal Apostle
Re: A Conservative Scholar's Argument for Marcionite Priorit
Secret Alias wrote:
http://michaeljkruger.com/a-curious-clu ... ment-canon -One passage that I think contains a number of intriguing clues is 2 Cor 3:14 when Paul says, “When they read the Old Covenant, that same veil remains unlifted.”
Often overlooked in this passage is that Paul understands a covenant to be something that you read. In other words, for Paul (and his audience) covenants are understood to be written documents.
- In summa Paul likely knew of a written new Testament canon.
- “When they read the Old Covenant, that same veil remains ..."
Re: A Conservative Scholar's Argument for Marcionite Priorit
Perhaps it's my confirmation bias/ cognitive dissonance, but Kruger is arguing against Marcionite Priority. .
There is no explicit mention, at least in the second century, of any identifiable Gnostic, Marcionite, or Ebionite holding the office of bishop. Or, at least, I haven’t found one (please let me know if I have missed an example).
https://books.google.com/books?id=eYgMA ... on&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=eYgMA ... on&f=false
doublethink wrote:. . but then again Kruger may be arguing for Marcionite Priority but just doesn't know it.