Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid For. Confirmation 16:8 Original

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Re: Choose One From Column A

Post by Kunigunde Kreuzerin » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:16 am

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Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:30 pm
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A short space appears between 16:14 and 16:15, and the “T” in the αυτοις (autois) in 16:15 is enlarged in the margin.
strange 8-) I think I only saw the initial letter of a word enlarged. In English, the text reads "He said to them, 'Go into all the world ..."

It would look like
... DIDN'T BELIEVE ............ AND HE SAID TO TH
E M
“GO INTO ALL THE WOR


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Post by JoeWallack » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:58 am

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ἐφοβοῦντο γάρ (Efobounto gar) ends the 24th line of a column (each column consisting of 50 lines) and Αναστας δε (Anastas de) begins the 25th line
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The highlighted character is the last letter of 16:8 and there is a dot to the right of it (the highlight is just touching it). The last letter is about as far away as any other last letter of a row in that column from the right margin, but not remarkably so. More remarkable is that the ending of rows through 16:8 is relatively consistent as to where the last letter of a row is while starting with 16:9 there is noticeably more variation in where the last letter is and the rows as a whole extend farther out. This suggests the possibility that post 16:8 here was written by a different scribe or had a different exemplar.

As a side note Apologetics are in the usual position that the related analysis they highlight, what comes after 16:8 in Sinaiticus/Vaticanus, is less remarkable than what they ignore, what comes after 16:8 in CA.


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Re: Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid For. Confirmation 16:8 Original

Post by moses » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:56 am

Richard carrier recently replied to a christian apologist. He said that mark not only tells that the women told him anything(they said nothing to anyone) , but peter did not even witness an empty tomb. Mark was Matthews source and even in Matthew peter never visits an empty tomb.

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Re: Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid For. Confirmation 16:8 Original

Post by iskander » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:50 am

moses wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:56 am
Richard carrier recently replied to a christian apologist. He said that mark not only tells that the women told him anything(they said nothing to anyone) , but peter did not even witness an empty tomb. Mark was Matthews source and even in Matthew peter never visits an empty tomb.
Mark says that Jesus was not amongst the dead, but he is to be found amongst the living : the decision to continue the struggle would have been taken by the followers of Jesus-- Peter would have been one of them . Why would Peter visit the burial place?

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Re: Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid For. Confirmation 16:8 Original

Post by JoeWallack » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:48 am

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the initial A of Αναστας (Anastas) is enlarged, and is accompanied by a paragraphus-mark (resembling a tilted “t”); the same mark appears at the end of 16:8 in B.
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Re: Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid For. Confirmation 16:8 Original

Post by JoeWallack » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:57 am

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Codex A contains the Eusebian Canons in an early form; the last Eusebian Canon-entry in the margin is ΣΛΒ/Β (Section 232 of Canon 2) at 16:6.
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Re: Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid For. Confirmation 16:8 Original

Post by JoeWallack » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:26 am

JW:
A short space appears between 16:14 and 16:15,
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This is exactly where The Freer Logion was. Jerome c. 400 and Codex Washingtonianus c. 400 evidence the existence of The Freer Logion. So CA likely shows awareness of even more textual variation in the LE here.

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Re: Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid For. Confirmation 16:8 Original

Post by Kunigunde Kreuzerin » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:51 pm

JoeWallack wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:26 am
A short space appears between 16:14 and 16:15,
This is exactly where The Freer Logion was. Jerome c. 400 and Codex Washingtonianus c. 400 evidence the existence of The Freer Logion. So CA likely shows awareness of even more textual variation in the LE here.
I'm not so sure. There are a few "short spaces" between some verses in CA.

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Re: Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid For. Confirmation 16:8 Original

Post by JoeWallack » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:06 am

JW:
the “T” in the αυτοις(autois) in 16:15 is enlarged in the margin.
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This may be a reference to the Textual Variation right before αυτοις as evidenced by Bezae (as we have seen here, a very brave and influential witness to Markan difficult readings):

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Re: Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid For. Confirmation 16:8 Original

Post by JoeWallack » Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:04 pm

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In its text of Mark 16:9-20, Codex A has the variant εκ νεκρων (ek nekron), “from the dead,” in 16:14
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