Dating Paul's Conversion c.36 C.E.

[Michael BG]

Christians met to worship and pray with Jews until the end of the first century

This has to be stated in context to be best understood.

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Think about the evidence, Paul a Hellenist states he went to Jerusalem and argued Jewish law with founding fathers, which is fictional to me. The house there not church probably used the names of Peter and James to build said houses authority. [that is my own opinion, take it for what its worth] either way they argued with Paul about laws.

I don’t think Christians would be worshipping Christ in synagogues. I am sorry if I gave that impression.

I do agree that Christians seem to have met in “house churches” much like some Christians hold study groups or prayer meetings in people’s houses today. However Jewish Christians would still go to the synagogue to join in the normal Jewish worship and prayer. This would apply to Hellenist Jewish Christians as well (for example in Alexandria and Antioch). It is possible that Greeks who had been attending Jewish synagogues would continue to do so (at least for some time).

However my point was that people could attend synagogues and if they were Christians they were not banned. Non-Jewish people were not banned either. Therefore it would be wrong to think that Christians were threatened by Jewish authorities during the lifetime of Paul as we have very little evidence that they were.

[outhouse]

However Jewish Christians would still go to the synagogue to join in the normal Jewish worship and prayer. .

What was normal Judaism for Hellenist in the Diaspora? This was Judaism light that started due to the Temple being popular and designed to take monotheism into the Roman empire.

You might have missed my point. These were places for Proselytes and I still do not think an oppressed Jew called these Hellenist Jews, nor did they want to be labeled as Jews. They wanted monotheism light without all those damned nutty Jewish lawsnad traditions Romans hated like circumcision.

However my point was that people could attend synagogues and if they were Christians they were not banned.

My point was simply these were not really a true synagogue, but a house like early Christians that were more Proselyte centered around Judaism light who found value in one god.

Remember most of the people were worshipping the Emperor as "son of god" a week before converting to the one god, whom you prayed to by way of the "son of god" who was not some corrupt politician, but the guy like us who gave of himself and was sacrificed for our sins.

This biggest flaw is early Christians were Apocalyptic Hellenistic Gentiles and Proselytes, and real oppressed Jews wanted nothing to do with this blasphemous group perverting their god.

Groups this different did not worship together, me thinks you get this from Pauline text where he states he did these things. But no where else. I would posit Pauls Judaism which is still debated today, he took to a synagogue and got his ass in trouble doing such

[outhouse]

I don’t think Christians would be worshipping Christ in synagogues. I am sorry if I gave that impression.

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Your OK I don't get riled unless attacked

I don't think they worshipped Jesus there either. And I don't think Christians went in there and worshipped Judaism either.

Remember Christianity factually was the divorce of Judaism from the get go. Mark was written for Non Jews and explained the laws as if it was the first time they heard such. This text was for gentiles.

Christianity did not center from or in Israel. It grew from many centers in the Diaspora by different adherence to laws and customs by proselytes who found value in monotheism and knew the text very well, and all targeted gentiles from the start.

Real Jews hated people perverting their religion.

[Tod Stites]

The traditions held by the Ebionites in the early third century looked back on James, the brother of
Jesus, as having assigned Clement to follow Peter and to record Peter's reminiscences about the teachings
of Jesus for the church at Jerusalem (1). Clement is among the earliest of the church fathers, and if there
is truth to this tradition, then the assignment must have been given to Clement before James was killed
at Jerusalem in 62.

Now the sayings contained in the pseudo-Clementine Ebionite writings are considered by some to be
"speech gospels" arranged rhetorically for evangelization purposes and to offer opportunity for a more
memorable interpretation (2).Interestingly, the sayings of the pseudo-Clementines do not cluster, i.e.
are not rhetorically arranged, as the same way as those in the Synoptic Gospels, but in the same way
as those in the apocryphal Gospel of Thomas (3), a Gospel which Thomas specialists have considered
as having the greatest claim to antiquity of any non-canonical gospel (4).

Meanwhile since the church was quite possibly made up of both Aramaic and Greek-speakers
from the beginning (Acts 6:1), the translation of Jesus' sayings into Greek need not have taken
place at a later stage of the tradition (5), and in fact there are scholars who hold that the translation
of the sayings into Greek took place "several decades" before the first (canonical) Gospel was
written (6), and those who approve of the idea that the disciples used wax tablets to record the words
of Jesus even as his ministry was being conducted (7).

Hence the term "speech gospels" and the possibility that such writings were circulating among
believers even in the 30s C.E.


Notes:
1.DeConick "Original Gospel Of Thomas In Translation" p.20.
2.DeConick "Recovering The Original Gospel Of Thomas" p.34-5.
3.DeConick "Original Gospel Of Thomas In Translation" p.19.
4.Goodacre "Thomas And The Gospels" p.1.
5.Meier "A Marginal Jew" v.1,p.178
5.Koester "Introduction To The New Testament" v.1,p.111
6.Casey "An Aramaic Approach To Q" p.48-9

[Michael BG]

However my point was that people could attend synagogues and if they were Christians they were not banned.

My point was simply these were not really a true synagogue, but a house like early Christians that were more Proselyte centered around Judaism light who found value in one god.

Remember most of the people were worshipping the Emperor as "son of god" a week before converting to the one god, whom you prayed to by way of the "son of god" who was not some corrupt politician, but the guy like us who gave of himself and was sacrificed for our sins.

This biggest flaw is early Christians were Apocalyptic Hellenistic Gentiles and Proselytes, and real oppressed Jews wanted nothing to do with this blasphemous group perverting their god.

Groups this different did not worship together, me thinks you get this from Pauline text where he states he did these things. But no where else. I would posit Pauls Judaism which is still debated today, he took to a synagogue and got his ass in trouble doing such

Do you have any evidence that synagogues between 66 and 100 CE were not separate buildings?

According to Wikipedia the earliest evidence for synagogues comes from Egypt in 3rd century BCE. A Hasmonean-era one is dated to between 75 and 50 BCE. Donald D Binder in his dissertation states “First, it seems clear that synagogues existed in Palestine as formal institutions with their own buildings and functionaries as early as the first century B.C.E. In the diaspora, they appeared even earlier, being well-attested in Egypt in the third century B.C.E. Within two centuries they were flourishing in Jewish centers around the Mediterranean. Second, no solid evidence from our period presently exists to indicate that synagogues emerged from meetings in private homes” (http://www.pohick.org/sts/Intrononotes. ... 20Proposal).

Are you saying that Christians continued to “worship” the emperor? Do you have any evidence for this?

Do you have any evidence on how “god-fearers” were treated in synagogues?

Do you have any evidence that Jewish Christians were banned from either the Temple or synagogues before about 100 CE?

[outhouse]

Do you have any evidence that synagogues between 66 and 100 CE were not separate buildings?

Please clarify the question, and I would ask what evidence they were separate ?

Early Christians met in houses.

Gentiles were Proselytized not Israelite Jews. Do you know why? because Jews did not look at Jesus being crucified as a requirement for being a messiah.

People who perverted Judaism are the only ones who found value in this new theology divorcing Judaism. These people wanted to distance themselves from Jews, not worship in the same house WHICH was a Pater Familias where everyone knew everybody.

[outhouse]

Are you saying that Christians continued to “worship” the emperor?

No not at all, I stated before worshipping jesus as son of god, they were worshipping a corrupt Emperor a politician as son of god

[outhouse]

Do you have any evidence on how “god-fearers” were treated in synagogues?

Do you?

And which synagogues by which cultures using Judaism?

Judaism was wide and diverse in Hellenism and there was no orthodox Judaism, and there almost a complete lack of knowledge on how diverse.

If you have studied Hengel and Hellenism, I find his work while correct at the time, needs to be updated today.

[outhouse]

first-century synagogues were local communal institutions

the evidence for a first-century synagogue is disputed

first-century synagogues didn’t have “Jewish” features and were simply public buildings with benches along the walls. In other words, the buildings reflected the primary role of synagogues as Jewish community centers, with worship as a secondary use of the space.

[outhouse]

The traditions

This is not participation, you are just proselytizing your rhetoric Tod!

Stop copy and pasting your crap as answers. Proselytizing your rhetoric will not stand.