Proofs That Jesus Existed

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Re: Proofs That Jesus Existed

Post by Secret Alias » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:12 pm

Proof that Jesus existed for the Church Fathers:

1. The Law and the prophets knew that the messiah to come would be named Jesus
2. Jesus was named Jesus
Therefore Jesus existed
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Re: Proofs That Jesus Existed

Post by Secret Alias » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:15 pm

Another while I sit stuck in traffic

1. The Jews hate Jesus
2. If they knew he didn't exist they'd be the first to say so
3. In fact they say that Jesus was born from a harlot
Therefore Jesus existed
“Finally, from so little sleeping and so much reading, his brain dried up and he went completely out of his mind.”
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Re: Proofs That Jesus Existed

Post by Secret Alias » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:18 pm

1. People with PhDs are very smart
2. People with PhDs agree Jesus existed
Therefore Jesus existed
“Finally, from so little sleeping and so much reading, his brain dried up and he went completely out of his mind.”
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Argument From Philosophy

Post by JoeWallack » Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:13 am

ARGUMENT FROM PHILOSOPHY

1) Je pense, donc jesuis.

2) Therefore, Jesuis existed.

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Argument From Hypocrisy

Post by JoeWallack » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:46 am

ARGUMENT FROM HYPOCRISY

1) Richard Carrier is the key figure for Mythicism. The “Mythic” Jesus’ Last Hurrah

2) Carrier is a paid advocate of his views (having been hired to produce these books), not a disinterested or dispassionate assessor of things.

3) Regarding Christian historical religious scholars the discipline of historical study of Christian Origins involves trying to avoid one’s personal feelings and stance to determine how one reads the evidence. Can a Christian be a Good Scholar?

4) Therefore, Jesus existed.

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Re: Proofs That Jesus Existed

Post by arnoldo » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:22 am

1. There is no proof Jesus existed
2. If Jesus had not existed early christians would have invented proofs.
3. Therefore Jesus existed.
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ARGUMENT FROM HISTORICAL JOURNAL

Post by JoeWallack » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:48 am

ARGUMENT FROM HISTORICAL JOURNAL

1, The extant source for information about Jesus is The Journal for the Study of the Mythical Jesus (The Christian Bible).
2. The source for The Journal For The Study Of The Historical Jesus is The Journal for the Study of the Mythical Jesus.
3. Therefore, Jesus existed.

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Variation on the Ontological Argument

Post by Charles Wilson » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:35 am

The Book of John states:

[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] He was in the beginning with God;
[3] all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.

A Being this Powerful could not have simply appeared on the World Stage.
Therefore, Jesus existed.

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Re: Proofs That Jesus Existed

Post by Kunigunde Kreuzerin » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:13 pm

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Argument from understanding Mythicists

1) Sometimes it's good and necessary to ask very critical questions and to cast doubt on everything.
2) But there must come a moment to look forward to the future again and to accept the present life.
3) Therefore Jesus existed.

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Argument From Unique Agreement

Post by JoeWallack » Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:32 am

ARGUMENT FROM UNIQUE AGREEMENT

1. The Editorial Board for The Journal for the Study of the Historical Jesus "disagree on just about everything when it comes to Jesus and the sources pertaining to him".
2. All The Board agrees though "that (1) Jesus existed and (2) people who deny his existence are cranks or bad-historians".
3. Therefore, Jesus existed.

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