Did such an identifiable entity as a Christian exist in 135 CE?

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MrMacSon wrote:
  • Though there is some commentary that what started as 'Christianity' outside Judaism later became Judaized.

Nothing changes the fact Christianity factually is and was the Hellenistic divorce of cultural Judaism, in favor of Judaism light by way of the sacrificed son. Due to the popularity of Herods temple and its effects on the spread of monotheism through the Diaspora.

This is no up for debate, it is a stone cold fact.
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davidbrainerd wrote: It would not have had to "win out in time" if it was first. .
David there were multiple Christologies, and the one we have now factually ended up being the popular one.

It started with multiple versions, and the first means nothing, if later versions ended up being more popular.

Do you know why Matthew was the first gospel in the NT? was it the first?
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Re: Did such an identifiable entity as a Christian exist in

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outhouse wrote:
MrMacSon wrote:
  • Though there is some commentary that what started as 'Christianity' outside Judaism later became Judaized.
Nothing changes the fact Christianity factually is and was the Hellenistic divorce of cultural Judaism, in favor of Judaism-light by way of the sacrificed son.
  • It's unlikely to be as simple as that.
outhouse wrote: Due to the popularity of Herods temple and its effects on the spread of monotheism through the Diaspora.
  • Not necessarily.
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outhouse wrote:
davidbrainerd wrote:
It would not have had to "win out in time" if it was first.
David there were multiple Christologies, and the one we have now factually ended up being the popular one.

It started with multiple versions, and the first means nothing, if later versions ended up being more popular.
I agree there were likely multiple Christologies, but the one that persisted is unlikely to be the same when it became the only one, and it is unlikely to have been the same all the time.
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MrMacSon wrote:
  • It's unlikely to be as simple as that.
Well it is factual


  • Not necessarily.
Herods temple had a huge impact on Hellenist/Roman citizens and monotheism, it is who Herod targeted with his rebuilding.

The Passover drunken BBQ in one of the wonders of the world during this period was a sight to behold, a total experience for all people.
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Re: Did such an identifiable entity as a Christian exist in

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MrMacSon wrote:
outhouse wrote:
davidbrainerd wrote:
It would not have had to "win out in time" if it was first.
David there were multiple Christologies, and the one we have now factually ended up being the popular one.

It started with multiple versions, and the first means nothing, if later versions ended up being more popular.
I agree there were likely multiple Christologies, but the one that persisted is unlikely to be the same when it became the only one, and it is unlikely to have been the same all the time.
We had variations in the popular text, and these were all lumped together as somewhat similar, before orthodoxy settled in.

I don't see any evidence of evolution of Christology changes in Pauline text for his 7 attributed epistles, nor gospel text which varied slightly. We only see slight changes in pseudepigrapha which was not really the context I posit
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