Biblindex is Working Again

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Biblindex is Working Again

Post by Secret Alias » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:44 pm

To hell with explaining this to people. If you can't figure out the title of the thread you're not going to care. http://www.biblindex.info/citation_biblique/?lang=en
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Re: Biblindex is Working Again

Post by Peter Kirby » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:50 pm

Good news, thanks
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Re: Biblindex is Working Again

Post by rakovsky » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:13 pm

It would be helpful if it would be clearer in its pointing of where to go to find the citations that it gives.

For example, for John 21, it points to:
Papias Hierapolitanus
Explanationes uerborum dominicorum (1) (p.138, l.4) BP1
Date: ca.101 - ca.150
Genre: -
Theme: Exegesis, Scripture Commentaries
Clavis: 1047
Biblio:
FUNK F.X., BIHLMEYER K., Die apostolischen Väter, Neubearbeitung der Funkschen Ausgabe, 2e éd., Tübingen 1956, 133-140.

So then I go look at Papias' work online, which is 10 sections long and I don't see any direct quotations of John 21.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0125.htm

Besides that, it isn't clear to me where exactly the database is pointing me to inside the work.
For example, does " l.4 BP1" mean Book 1, chapter 4, or Chapter 1, verse 4?
Either way, I don't see it.

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Re: Biblindex is Working Again

Post by davidbrainerd » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:03 pm

It doesn't work. The search button remains greyed out no matter what I choose in the "Corpus of ancient author(s) to be investigated" section.

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Re: Biblindex is Working Again

Post by Secret Alias » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:06 pm

Worked for me. Must have child-proof mechanism activated.
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Re: Biblindex is Working Again

Post by rakovsky » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:48 pm

davidbrainerd wrote:It doesn't work. The search button remains greyed out no matter what I choose in the "Corpus of ancient author(s) to be investigated" section.
You have to play around with it a ton. It's tricky. You have to fill in everything even the dots the "perfect" way. It's extremely picky.
If it came with a guide book it would be easier.
I did get it to work and its a great database, but... like I wrote earlier, I can't figure out exactly what it is pointing to. :/

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Re: Biblindex is Working Again

Post by Ben C. Smith » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:54 am

rakovsky wrote:It would be helpful if it would be clearer in its pointing of where to go to find the citations that it gives.

For example, for John 21, it points to:
Papias Hierapolitanus
Explanationes uerborum dominicorum (1) (p.138, l.4) BP1
Date: ca.101 - ca.150
Genre: -
Theme: Exegesis, Scripture Commentaries
Clavis: 1047
Biblio:
FUNK F.X., BIHLMEYER K., Die apostolischen Väter, Neubearbeitung der Funkschen Ausgabe, 2e éd., Tübingen 1956, 133-140.

So then I go look at Papias' work online, which is 10 sections long and I don't see any direct quotations of John 21.
You have to look at the correct version, which is given above. I highlighted it for you. The relevant fragments appear on pages 133-140 of that work, and you can see from the "hit" that the fragment you want is on page 138 specifically. If you do not have access to that book, then it will be more difficult for you, I myself do not usually have access to that version of Papias' fragments, so when I use Biblindex I have to apply a bit of savvy, and even then it does not always work. My best guess in this case is that the allusion is based on Jesus calling the disciples "children" in John 21.5, which corresponds to a preserved fragment from Maximus the Confessor, Scholia on Dionysius the Areopagite, On the Ecclesiastical Heirarchy 2 (Lightfoot-Holmes fragment 15; Roberts-Donaldson fragment 2): "They would call children those who practiced no evil according to God, as Papias makes clear in the first book of the Exegeses of the Lord, along with Clement the Alexandrian in the Pedagogue." But I may be wrong.

(It is important to note that Biblindex includes allusions or parallels as well as direct quotes. Of course you will not find a direct quote of the gospel of John in Papias; our extant fragments of Papias contain no direct quotes of any extant gospels, and mention only two of them by name: Mark and Matthew, assuming these are the same texts that we now possess by those titles, which is not necessarily clear. Possible allusions are all that we have.)

Biblindex is a tool for scholars at universities with complete libraries. If you are not a scholar, or if you are not at such a university, then it may take some doing to use it properly.
davidbrainerd wrote:It doesn't work. The search button remains greyed out no matter what I choose in the "Corpus of ancient author(s) to be investigated" section.
You have to click the + key in each section to add your selections to the search.

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Re: Biblindex is Working Again

Post by rakovsky » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:12 am

Thanks for writing Ben.

The form looks defective at the moment. It requires you to pick "3.Corpus of ancient author(s) to be investigated"
One possibility is:

3.c Date(s) selection : every works written between : _______ and _______


Two problems. First, It doesn't let me put in anything below 100 on the left blank.
Second, there is no + sign on the right, so there is no way to search based on date.

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Re: Biblindex is Working Again

Post by rakovsky » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:38 pm

What do you type into the DATES section in case you want to search all writings made before 100 AD, such as 1 Clement and the Didache?
It says:
Date(s) selection : every works written between : ____________ and______________

When I put in 50 on the left hand, it doesn't let me put in anything higher than 99 on the right hand. And even when I do that, it doesn't bring up any results, despite the fact that this same database lists 1 Clement as having a starting date of c. 95 AD.

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