Steven Avery wrote:davidbrainerd wrote:Steven Avery wrote:Jupiter = Jove-Pater
Jupiter = yahweh-father
Simply because jove is yahweh.
It makes a good Gnostic argument.
The worship of yahweh is in fact quite gnostic, even with a mask or veneer of Christianity.
I've been in prayer rooms where yahweh was being fervently worshiped (toda, yahweh, ohh, yahweh). It is not spiritually pretty.
I've heard the superb song "Days of Elijah (No God but Jehovah)" mangled with the devil entity.
I think what you're complaining about there is more the feminine sound of the name and the feminine orientation of the worship. I wouldn't call that Gnosticism. Its no different from the "Jesus is my boyfriend" trend in contemporary Christian music.
(One of my favorite church songs is Hallelujah Praise Jehovah by William J Kirkpatrick, which is essentiallly Psalm 148 set to music. I get the disgust with contemporary church music.)
Steven Avery wrote:
This, however, has nothing to do with the proper representations, including:
Jehovah (Yehovah)
JHVH (YHVH)
LORD
Yahweh was snuck in by Gesenius precisely because it was related to Jupiter, the devil entity.
Modern seminarian Christians have a propensity to be duped by faux scholarship.
The vocalization yahweh has nothing to do with the Masoretic Text, the God of Israel, or Bible faith.
Certainly the vocalization in the massoretic text is not Yahweh. And the whole "no J in Hebrew" argument is merely Ashkenazi pronunciation supremacism against other Hebrew dialects (i.e. no J because Germans pronounce J as Y, no other reason). "However," the argument goes, "the vowel points are late so we can't prove that's the right pronunciation."
I've seen arguments where Yahwists are arguing Jehovah is wrong because it looks or sounds like Jove (in English), although its a stretch, since you'd have to add an ah and final h to turn Jove into Jahoveh.
Jehovah certainly sounds more manly, more befitting of the warlike OT God. But perhaps Yahweh shows his inconsistent character, so inconsistent as to have a feminine name that sounds the same as another capricious and cruel deity. My point in fact in saying its a good Gnostic argument was the unification of the two "cruel capricious" deities, that of the Jews and that of Rome, into one, with one name, which would explain why the God of the Jews seemingly transfered his allegiance to Rome and the Roman Catholic church: he was whoring around on his wife all along. He was cheating on Israel with Rome and they didn't even know it until he brought the Roman armies in to take back his wedding ring. That's the Gnostic argument I meant, that "capricious Yahweh turns out to just be capricious Jove, so lets worship the Better God instead."
Its made an altogether better argument by Paul in Acts quoting a pagan poet as a prophet, quoting a poem of Jove being the father of all humanity and applying it to the Catholic god, which demonstrates that Catholics did see their god as the same as Jove.
So I'm just wondering out loud if any evidence of Gnostics specifically making this connection survives.
Steven Avery wrote:
Psalm 83:18 (AV)
That men may know that thou,
whose name alone is JEHOVAH,
art the most high over all the earth.
Steven
The KJV was good enough for Marcion, so its good enough for me.
(I know a joke's not as funny when explained, but for the benefit of Secret Alias who will take that literally, this saying normally says Paul. Also the KJV still has some Western non-interpolations sometimes considered associated with Marcion that modern translation have expunged, like Luke 9:55 "....Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.")