Luke 9:27 (AV)
Bernard Muller wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:00 pm
Do you think "Luke" recorded Jesus' words accurately here:
But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here,
which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
Verily I say unto you,
This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Hello Bernard --
Within the Realm of Editorial License, I do believe that the words are fairly, sorta' accurately recorded. If "Luke" is placed in quotes, however, "Jesus" should be as well. Existence is not a Predicate. These are 2 Transvalued Fragments. For those who see a "Jesus" uttering statements concerning the Kingdom of God, there will be no satisfaction in understanding. The words cannot be literally true, yet "Jesus" must have been misheard or Oral Tradition changed something of whatever.
The Law and the Prophets ended with John. After that the Romans took over, rewriting a Story that had no mention of a "Jesus".
Luke 9: 27 (RSV):
 But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God."
What was the "Kingdom of God"/"Realm of Heaven". If you view it as "Somewhere Over the Rainbow", you will not find satisfaction in explanations. If you can see it as the Reclaiming of the Temple and the Re-Installing of Rulers from the Chosen Families, you will find some relief.
Luke 21: 29 32 (RSV):
 And he told them a parable: "Look at the fig tree, and all the trees;
 as soon as they come out in leaf, you see for yourselves and know that the summer is already near.
 So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that the kingdom of God is near.
 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all has taken place.
"Summer is already near..." is a Marker for the Passover. The Coup, sanctioned by God will find the Romans displaced. The Kingdom of God will be retaken:
Luke 19: 39 - 40 (RSV):
 And some of the Pharisees in the multitude said to him, "Teacher, rebuke your disciples."
 He answered, "I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out."
, 2, 1, 3:
"At this Archclaus [sic] was aftrighted, and privately sent a tribune, with his cohort of soldiers, upon them, before the disease should spread over the whole multitude, and gave orders that they should constrain those that began the tumult, by force, to be quiet. At these the whole multitude were irritated, and threw stones at many of the soldiers, and killed them; but the tribune fled away wounded, and had much ado to escape so. After which they betook themselves to their sacrifices, as if they had done no mischief..."
So...Yes, the quotes are accurate, in a Transvalued sort of way. You know the Story from me, I'm not telling you anything I haven't Posted a hundred times before. It's just that as you look at this Site today, we are examining Eusebius ("Master Forger" as Jay Raskin would say) and Josephus (Who is also guilty of "Rewriting HIstory"). BTW, look again at Jay's consideration of Hegesippus in Eusebius. He concludes that Eusebius has forged Hegisippus to manufacture a "support Scholar" for his views, which he appears to have manufactured on the spot.
We have different Bases from which we reason, Bernard. That is All-OK. It's just that the strangest things happen when you posit a question about veridical experiences and accurate quotes. You don't always know where it will lead.