Tertullian said Marcion later professed repentance

[John T]

"The Marcionites are those whom the apostle John designated as antichrists, for they deny that Christ has come in the flesh...Tertullian (c. 207, W), 3.327

"Marcion met Polycarp on once occasion, and said, "Do you know me?" Polycarp replied, "I do know you, the first-born of Satan." Such was the horror that the apostles and their disciples had against holding even verbal communication with any corrupters of the truth. Irenaeus (c. 180, E/W), 1.416

Seems the early church knew full well the false teachings (two gods, Gnostic theology) and real motives of Marcion, hence the reason they excommunicated him from the Church. It should be pointed out that Tertullian said Marcion later professed repentance and agreed to the conditions granted him in order to return to the Church but died before he could finish his penitence.

John T

[davidbrainerd]

It should be pointed out that Tertullian said Marcion later professed repentance and agreed to the conditions granted him in order to return to the Church but died before he could finish his penitence.

That this story is fictional is obvious from the impossible task being fixed to said pennance: Marcion must first convert everyone convinced of Marcionite theology to orthodoxy. And Tertullian also notes that Marcionites call BS on this story. But nice try.

[davidbrainerd]

"The Marcionites are those whom the apostle John designated as antichrists, for they deny that Christ has come in the flesh...Tertullian (c. 207, W), 3.327

This is only an interpretation of John's epistle of 1st John. And John himself is semi-marcionite in the same epistle.


1st John 2:15-18

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world[, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life,] is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Right before announcing the coming of antichrists, he declares his Semi-Marcionism. The world is evil and not from the father, neither the world nor anything in it is from the father, so love nothing of the world. Now he declares antichrists are coming only after this hatred of the world and denial of the Father being the creator.

Although he may declare in verse 22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Chr*stos? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son" we don't know if that originally read Christos or Chrestos. And concerning ch 4, whatever views this author may hold towards the flesh of Christ, his theory of creation is still Marcionite, so he's got a Marcionite Jesus taking on real flesh; he still ain't orthodox. No wonder some in ancient times thought some gnostic like Cerinthus was the real John.

"Marcion met Polycarp on once occasion, and said, "Do you know me?" Polycarp replied, "I do know you, the first-born of Satan." Such was the horror that the apostles and their disciples had against holding even verbal communication with any corrupters of the truth. Irenaeus (c. 180, E/W), 1.416

Polycarp is an unkown. Just a prop.

[John T]

It should be pointed out that Tertullian said Marcion later professed repentance and agreed to the conditions granted him in order to return to the Church but died before he could finish his penitence.

That this story is fictional is obvious from the impossible task being fixed to said pennance: Marcion must first convert everyone convinced of Marcionite theology to orthodoxy. And Tertullian also notes that Marcionites call BS on this story. But nice try.

...Marcion professed repentance, and he agreed to the conditions granted to him. Those conditions were that he would receive reconciliation if he restored to the church all the others whom he had been training for perdition. However, he was prevented by death from doing this....Tertullian (c. 197,W), 3.257.

I provided my source, now if you would be so kind to provide your source to the contrary.

Thanks in advance.

John T

[iskander]

It should be pointed out that Tertullian said Marcion later professed repentance and agreed to the conditions granted him in order to return to the Church but died before he could finish his penitence.

That this story is fictional is obvious from the impossible task being fixed to said pennance: Marcion must first convert everyone convinced of Marcionite theology to orthodoxy. And Tertullian also notes that Marcionites call BS on this story. But nice try.

...Marcion professed repentance, and he agreed to the conditions granted to him. Those conditions were that he would receive reconciliation if he restored to the church all the others whom he had been training for perdition. However, he was prevented by death from doing this....Tertullian (c. 197,W), 3.257.

I provided my source, now if you would be so kind to provide your source to the contrary.

Thanks in advance.

John T

Tertullian wrote as the party line commands. It is impossible to accept that calumny .
They did this to Hitchens,

Many of you are probably wondering why Christopher Hitchens did not make our list of “People you will probably meet in hell.” The answer is quite simple, actually. Christopher Hitchens turned to Christ on his deathbed, and is now in heaven with Jesus, Peter, Paul, Noah, Mary, and all the angels. Why did Hitchens repent? The answer is actually quite simple. Much like a man that can see a train bearing down upon him as it comes close to him and is about to kill him, Hitchens was able to finally see hell bearing down upon his immortal soul as it became almost unavoidable. Somewhere, likely on his deathbed, Hitchens called out to Jesus for salvation. Jesus embraced this lost sheep with open arms, and led him straight to heaven, where he is in Paradise as we speak.

https://creationsciencestudy.wordpress. ... ner-saved/

[davidbrainerd]

It should be pointed out that Tertullian said Marcion later professed repentance and agreed to the conditions granted him in order to return to the Church but died before he could finish his penitence.

That this story is fictional is obvious from the impossible task being fixed to said pennance: Marcion must first convert everyone convinced of Marcionite theology to orthodoxy. And Tertullian also notes that Marcionites call BS on this story. But nice try.

...Marcion professed repentance, and he agreed to the conditions granted to him. Those conditions were that he would receive reconciliation if he restored to the church all the others whom he had been training for perdition. However, he was prevented by death from doing this....Tertullian (c. 197,W), 3.257.

I provided my source, now if you would be so kind to provide your source to the contrary.

Thanks in advance.

John T

I already did. We have the same source. The very same place Tertullian makes this obviously false boast he admits the Marcionites deny it. This is the same thing as evangelicals saying Darwin recanted on his death bed. Its total hogwash. He also explains in the same context that the reason Marcion died with fulfilling his pennance was it was impossible, i.e. converting all Marcionites around the world to orthodoxy. Thus Tertullian betrays himself as a very bad liar.

[Peter Kirby]

Tertullian wrote as the party line commands. It is impossible to accept that calumny .
They did this to Hitchens,

Many of you are probably wondering why Christopher Hitchens did not make our list of “People you will probably meet in hell.” The answer is quite simple, actually. Christopher Hitchens turned to Christ on his deathbed, and is now in heaven with Jesus, Peter, Paul, Noah, Mary, and all the angels. Why did Hitchens repent? The answer is actually quite simple. Much like a man that can see a train bearing down upon him as it comes close to him and is about to kill him, Hitchens was able to finally see hell bearing down upon his immortal soul as it became almost unavoidable. Somewhere, likely on his deathbed, Hitchens called out to Jesus for salvation. Jesus embraced this lost sheep with open arms, and led him straight to heaven, where he is in Paradise as we speak.

https://creationsciencestudy.wordpress. ... ner-saved/

Found a similar meme in my Facebook feed today.



Uh-huh.

If we "don't believe everything we read on the internet," that's a great concept to apply elsewhere too.

[John T]

Tertullian wrote as the party line commands. It is impossible to accept that calumny .
They did this to Hitchens,

Many of you are probably wondering why Christopher Hitchens did not make our list of “People you will probably meet in hell.” The answer is quite simple, actually. Christopher Hitchens turned to Christ on his deathbed, and is now in heaven with Jesus, Peter, Paul, Noah, Mary, and all the angels. Why did Hitchens repent? The answer is actually quite simple. Much like a man that can see a train bearing down upon him as it comes close to him and is about to kill him, Hitchens was able to finally see hell bearing down upon his immortal soul as it became almost unavoidable. Somewhere, likely on his deathbed, Hitchens called out to Jesus for salvation. Jesus embraced this lost sheep with open arms, and led him straight to heaven, where he is in Paradise as we speak.

https://creationsciencestudy.wordpress. ... ner-saved/

Found a similar meme in my Facebook feed today.



Uh-huh.

If we "don't believe everything we read on the internet," that's a great concept to apply elsewhere too.

Peter, you do know that Dawkins is not an atheist?

Dawkins said so in his own book: "The God Delusion". As an agnostic he wishes the atheist community would quit portraying him that way. But hey, the atheists say he is an atheist and since it is on their internet sites then he must be.
Is that what you meant by "a great concept to apply elsewhere too"?

John T

[davidbrainerd]

Peter, you do know that Dawkins is not an atheist?

Dawkins said so in his own book: "The God Delusion". As an agnostic he wishes the atheist community would quit portraying him that way. But hey, the atheists say he is an atheist and since it is on their internet sites then he must be.
Is that what you meant by "a great concept to apply elsewhere too"?

John T

Doesn't matter because on his deathbed he'll repent of both atheism and agnosticism and say the Shehada with his last dying breath, as a future Muslim Tertullian will write it up.

[Peter Kirby]

John T

Doesn't defend a fake quote, but still wants to stir up some shit anyway.

Likes to call people out in pedantic ways on claims they didn't even make.